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Notetoself4

He didnt know, he was running around checking under every rock for players with WCIs that could have done it. Turns out the very same assholes he first met in the new world were the ones that did it, not sure why he is *that* angry but I suppose he is miffed they have been allowed to even exist all this time without a *horrifically disproportionate genocide* for punishment.


Fedexhand

I imagine he's going to be wildly frustrated about that, imagine that, literally the first enemy he encountered upon arriving in the NW was the culprit he's been searching for so long. Too bad they didn't show the pov of Ainz about trying to assimilate that info.


Notetoself4

And they have been, like, living and not being tortured not very far away avoiding justice. Kinda feel like a good chunk of his anger is that they have had several years more life and less torture than they should have


Fedexhand

The funny thing is that I seem to remember that Ain had intentionally avoided the Theocracy, as he was worried that their gods were players or something. Frustrated seems like an understatement of how he surely feels right now.


No_Money_9766

He has always felt a lot of anger every time he thought about how he has been forced to kill Shalltear. Finally discovering who done has simply multiply the anger to a whole new level.


antypanther

That's sad. And tbh he does have the right to get angry. They attacked first and he had to waste money to revive Shalltear.


Notetoself4

Lol shalltear attacked first, her household came at them and they fought back then she rushed them in a murder fit of bloodlust, they had no idea what was going on and ran off (she also killed 3 of them including the one who used the item)


antypanther

Ohh it's been really long i read that chapter but in the anime they made it look like they attacked first.


Notetoself4

In the anime she was running around basically in murder mode killing random groups and realized Brain had got away. So she sent her household out to kill everyone, but they were killed So she got pissed af and rushed them and the captain saw a vampire god running at him and told Kyrae to use the WCI to defend themselves. It worked but she managed to throw a lance through a bunch before it fully took effect and with Kyrae down they just ran for it


antypanther

Ohh yeah I forgot the part her vampire bride got killed. Well tough luck Theocracy.


Notetoself4

Yeah they fked


antypanther

You know I am kind of curious if he wants to attack because he is angry or because of the potential loot he knows they have


Notetoself4

I'm sure he will take everything not nailed down as he is dispensing justice 😂


antypanther

He immediately got a boner for WCI


antypanther

Now that i think about it. It's literally like taking candy from a baby


Affectionate-Web-665

Didnt the theocracy like technically the one to attack first. Since the one that attack carne villAge is them. They attack ainz first too.then ainz search for strong martial arts user shalltear carriage was attacked by those mf that plans to kdnap and sexually assault them then shalltear still searching for martial arts user fimd brIn and the black scripture ambush her coz they are unsure if its a dragon attack if I remember correctly. Then shalltear got brainwashed. Note: kinda spit on ainz face too that the people jircniv introduce to him during his fight against go gin was the one he was hunting down. So yeah technically the theocracy attck ainz thrice They were the first to hit on battle on carne village Ambush shalltear and mind control her when she minding her own business (i mean yeah she cant control herself but still shes minding finding a martial artist shes not targetting anyone on theocracy) And use shalltear to fight him U can also add them plotting against the sorcerer king with jircniv But yeah they were the ones hitting first


Notetoself4

>Didnt the theocracy like technically the one to attack first. Since the one that attack carne villAge is them. They attack ainz first too.then ainz search for strong martial arts user shalltear carriage was attacked by those mf that plans to kdnap and sexually assault them then shalltear still searching for martial arts user fimd brIn and the black scripture ambush her coz they are unsure if its a dragon attack if I remember correctly. Then shalltear brainwashed You could say they were off being asses in Carne sure, although that didnt have anything to do with Shalltear and they had no idea about Ainz or Nazarick, he stepped in The brigands who were trying to do mean things to shalltear and solution had nothing to do with the theocracy, they were just highwaymen from the kingdom. Shalltear got too excited killing them, ran around and bumped into Britas group, killed most of them but realized Brain had basically escaped and her existence had been compromised by Britas friends So she summons her household and tells them to pretty much kill everyone within 5 kms They bump into the blackscripture and die, Shalltear feels them die and gets pissed and rushes off to kill them and the Captain uses the WCI in self defense. They were there to try and use it on the catastrophe dragonlord I think while it was recovering from waking up, but she kinda wrecked those plans So Shalltear tried to kill them and they tried to defend themselves, they had no desire to fight her just survive >U can also add them plotting against the sorcerer king with jircniv But yeah they were the ones hitting first Ainz has been conquering and expanding ever since day one, he probably has 10 meetings a day about how to deal with and take over the Theocracy.


Affectionate-Web-665

Im kinda answering who attack who first just that which is why i added technically About the brigands i know theyre not from theocracy i said they were just there to kidnap and sexually assault shalltear in her carriage and that leads to discovery of brain which is coincidentally match to what shalltear is searching ( a martial artist ) And about the black scriptire just bumping into her yes thats true its purely coincidental but take note the theocracy kinda racist towards races except han. Theys see one not human they immediately thought its a monster that needs to be purged. Still technically black scripture beas the one to attack since the servants of shalltear was chasing the hams outside who escaped. ( Yeah its a self defense for scripture to kill them ). The maids were summoned to kill the runaways the point is they dont know each other or represent nazarick and theocracy. But still they attack the maidens coz they not humans . Ofc that will trigger shalltear it's her household. They kill one of her household ofc she'll try to murder them. So yeah still technically black scripture os the first on to attack there. The maides were summoned nypt for them but for the runaways. So like i said in technicality the theocracy hit first About the last part he conquers to spread out his name. Ainz is still weary about the theocracy. And he wants the people to see him as a merciful king. Thats why he only conquer or fight other country who oppose sorcerer kingdom (carrot and whip plan) on the other hand demiurge is looking up on a possibility on hitting the theocracy. But yeah nice discussion.


Notetoself4

>Still technically black scripture beas the one to attack since the servants of shalltear was chasing the hams outside who escaped. She told them to kill and devour every human. They were evil demons made of shadow, they didnt come up to have a chat. Clearly they savagely attacked the BS and probably would have killed some of the weak members if the captain didnt swat them ​ >the theocracy kinda racist Luckily noone from Nazarick is at all prejudice against other forms of life... ​ >But still they attack the maidens coz they not humans Or... maybe because they were murderous bloodlusted Vampires. >Thats why he only conquer or fight other country who oppose sorcerer kingdom Like the Lizardmen, who were very nearly genocided for their bones. The kingdom who were genocided to send a message. Quagoa who were genocided because he wanted the dwarves onside. Holy kingdom who were genocided to sell Runecraft. Abelion hills who have been turned into ww2++ style concentration camps of mutilation for dozens of races and tens of thousands of innocent people mostly to steal the literal skin off their backs. The theocracy kills Demi-humans and contests the dragon lords because humans were once the lowest prey species and almost wiped out and, being a weak race, if we dont keep fighting we will be beaten and killed. Ainz and Nazarick kill for pure expansionism or, at times, just for fun. Or kill ten million to send a message. Or sell Runecraft. Or for *skin and food to feed eldritch horrors* ​ >they immediately thought its a monster that needs to be purged Yeah when a gang of demons and vampires rush from the forest intent to kill them they thought it was monsters that were coming to kill them. Feels pretty fair considering the 2 groups that didnt manage to fend them off were, in fact, brutally murdered mostly for fun


Affectionate-Web-665

Idk if u dint read my first and second comment but i especially said technically on both of them. Meaning they can do that as self defense but technically they the one that physically hit first thats the ley word on both of my comments so I appreciate if u read it again. I didnt say say nazarick is not racist. Im just stating that theocracy is racist too i didnt imply nazarick was not since they obviously view humans as insect or pest.. so whats ur point actually? I like how ur point has facts but didnt complete the explanation but its good for a discussion yes ofc they blood thrirsty vampire and they going for a kill since shalltear ordered to kill the people in surrounding are. But u didnt consider shalltera nor the maidens know the bs was there.. lile all of that meeting each other was purely coincidental. And about the lizardman and quogua its demiurge idea to use the lizardmen as experiment to govern and as a specie. The quogua was opposed on the dwarves which is ainz subordinates. So the quogua is against him. And again on last lines u have it seems like u think i see nazarick as peaceful bunch .. no theyre not its obvious to all theyre all murderous bunch. But what i said is true theocracy will ourge and label any race they see that is not humam and thats a fact. With an exception


Notetoself4

>i especially said technically on both of them Technically, they did attack Ainz first as Ainz simply threatened them with death and Nigun attacked him with angels. So, technically, the first act of open physical aggression was Nigun siccing angels on Ainz. Everything else was Naz attacking Theo forces including literally everything to do with Shalltear >I didnt say say nazarick is not racist. Im just stating that theocracy is racist too i didnt imply nazarick was not since they obviously view humans as insect or pest.. so whats ur point actually? The point is it is not racist to kill vampires and demons who are bearing down on you to kill you. If I shoot a rabid tiger, I am not being tiger racist. It was self defense against inhuman aggressors. >But u didnt consider shalltera nor the maidens know the bs was there.. lile all of that meeting each other was purely coincidental. Kind of, Shalltear was lost to a blood frenzy so it didnt matter who was there she just wanted sheer murder. Whereas the BS wanted nothing to do with her at all. Not that it matters if a god level vampire specifically wants to kill you because you are part of a certain country or she just wants to rip your jugular out, still seems pretty legit to try and save yourself >And about the lizardman and quogua its demiurge idea to use the lizardmen as experiment to govern and as a specie. The quogua was opposed on the dwarves which is ainz subordinates. So the quogua is against him. Jeez. Idk where to begin. Its all demiurges fault but the quagoa, who had no idea who tf Nazarick was, were the antagonists and it was cool to get their entire race to massacre their own children... Buuuuut the Theocracy are all racists. Nazarick just finished killing 8 million innocent people for basically no reason. They are clearly magnitudes more violent, expansionistic, racist or speciestist or classist, underhanded, murderous, war crime committing than anything the Theocracy could ever dream of. >And again on last lines u have it seems like u think i see nazarick as peaceful bunch .. no theyre not its obvious to all theyre all murderous bunch. But what i said is true theocracy will ourge and label any race they see that is not humam and thats a fact. With an exception Nazarick are nightmarish monsters who want to devour the world and have been responsible for mass die offs and war crimes 1000x worse than anything since the Evil Dieties The theocracy have undead in their upper ranks and generally ignore peaceful or weak demi-humans. They arent insane racists, they go out to try and make sure humanity can survive generally taking down the more dangerous and violent groups of inhumans to make sure humanity isnt overrun as it was in the past. Their goal is to make sure their race survives. Nazaricks is to collect skin and burn the world into submission It doesnt even matter if someone can somehow come to the conclusion that a nightmarish tomb of genocidal monsters are somehow in the right compared to people just trying to protect their own weak race from predation, the point is in this instance Shalltear was 100% the aggressor and simply wanted to kill them all for fun, they only wanted to gtf away from her and didnt even hurt her, just stunned her and ran and she managed to kill several of them anyway.


Affectionate-Web-665

Yeah so nigun was the first to attack ainz. And ainz defend the carne village. He dont want anything to do with them until he remembers touch me aense f justice to help. But yeah THEOCRACY hits ainz physically first while their people watch him. You still don't understand my reply huh and dont understand the word technically..... Ill explain u more detailed so we wont repeat the same replies. Even if its for self defense they still hit shalltear summons thry still thr one who hit first physically. Get that? If the maiden was the one that made the first casualty on the bs theyre the one that get to hit first . But since that didnt happen and upon seeing the maidens hunting down humans who have escaped that they kill them for self defense they attack them. So they technically still attack first i really hope its the last time i explain this. Yeah youre right what have the black scripture have anything to do with her u get that part right .. and tahts true on both sides shalltear has notnothing to with them too them just hunting the humans that ran off still they attack first be it self defense or not they still gang up on a vampire maiden coz they scared of them think about it again. Uhmm the dwarven kingdom relies on ainz repelling the quogua . The quogoa attacked.. whats they supposed to do watch it?? . The dwarves are under ainz rule now so its natural for ainz to reclaim the dwarves land which was conquered by the quogua who kills the dwarves for a long time, push them to the corner, eat their precious minerals. They're both on wrong on that one the children are innocent but the quoguas are not. And yeah the theocracy have monsters too youre right at least on that part. And zesshi is one of them being a half elf . Both nazarick and theocracy were racist theres no mild and medium racism. Once u hate the other race as u its racism. Both sides are hypocrite since ainz experience it during his time as a lich so we hoping to see him fight that well sometimes he did but most of the times he feel nothing. And the slane theocracy thinks their the righteous ones but their hands were dirty as well. Well thats that i hope U THOROUGHLY READ MY reply coz the amount of times i explained should be enough to understand that its technically the theocracy who hit first so pls read


Tubaman4801

He's hated them (the ones who forced him to kill Shalltear) the whole time. Doesn't surprise me at all that he's pissed at them


Marquis-Elias

This time Ainz will respond to Pestonia and Negredo with Fuck you . Lol


GeneralTanya

Ainz had always been angry about the culprits. Is just that he had the anger simmering inside him, waiting to come out once he find them. He has been looking forward to his revenge for more than 3 years now. All the stress he had suffered so far and the caution he had to be in, the bait he put out waiting for them to bite had cause Ainz a lot of pressure. If it were me, i would be pretty mad too to find out they were near him all this time. Don't think for a sec that Ainz has forgotten or let this grudge go after the Shalltear incident. It has always been there. Is just that Ainz has no opportunity to unleashed his anger as he couldn't find them.


Fedexhand

>so i guess Theocracy is done? No, Re-Estize *was done.* What will happen to the Theocracy will make what happened to them look like a picnic.


antypanther

Imagine how angry Shalltear would be.


Fedexhand

Sure, but I'd bet anything that Ainz is a thousand times more upset than she could be.


antypanther

Ainz might just have a boner for the treasures he is going to get. He already has 1 WCI guaranteed


Fedexhand

I feel like Ainz is going to be too distracted by his anger to rejoice in it now.


Guilty_Gear_Trip

My bet is on Ainz giving Demiurge and Shalltear free reign since they’re easily the most cruel among the guardians. Cocyutus will have to chill (heh) since he’d be too merciful and kill everyone in a single hit.


No-Cry-9989

Ainz didn't know until volume 16 that Theocracy was responsible for Shalltear's mind control. He kept thinking that it was the shenanigans of some player until that point.


zenprime-morpheus

What? Nope. Never knew. What made you think that? Ainz only captured folks from Slane Theocracy from **before** the Shalltear incident (okay Clem *technically* was after, but she was operating in E-Rantel for days beforehand, after leaving the Theocracy). He didn't even get the existence of other WCI in the NW from the Sunlight scripture, figured it out by conjecture based on Shalltear. Hasn't known they were culprits until know. In fact, Zesshi's first scene is about the debrief of the Slane vs Vampire later ID'd as Honyopenyoko, aka Shalltear. Looking back at that, her purpose in the story has been basically to deliver this knowledge to Ainz. LOL.


Notetoself4

Cant wait for the Captain to come out wearing the dress and blast Ainz in the face with it and Ainz just gets a blank Saitama face "Well this confirms it at least" Inner voice *looks quite good on him*


Acerola0ri0n

those claims of his were just mere speculations because they don't have concrete evidence yet that the theocracy was the one who did it. not that he knows and is sure of it, he will most likely bring total annihilation to theocracy and made them pay dearly just like what he said before fighting shalltear


Beneficial-Slide4834

I hope ainz can atleast flex all of the nazarick floor guardians and his powers(like in the lizardman village), and some monologues from the theocracy itself before ainz goes into a killing spree


CharanTheGreat

Yes. I mean, logically, if some enemy has einherjar and ya boi's ultimate skill... and they are not an Overlord... Theocracy about to become dead-ocracy


goldfishimpostor

Since he's looking through Zesshis memories, does Ainz finally know that the situation was entirely Shalltear's fault (she attacked them unprovoked and using the WCI was the only way to not get killed)? Would he care at all if he found out that Shalltear wasn't ever specifically targeted?


antypanther

I think he already knew that she went on a rampage


Lol111333

They aren't just done Ainz killing the kindom was buisness ,this time it's personal.He isn't going to rest until they have all been tortured to death.


SeiCalros

ainz has been demonstraby angry every single time the bloody valkyrie incident has been mentioned in the lns in volume 9 he just thinks of it on his own while pondering other stuff and it ruins his mood the fan translation wrote it as "Hatred, thick and cloying, pooled at the bottom of Ainz's heart"


MaduCrocoLoco

If you think the Kingdom was bad, watch this! ~Ains Probably after creating a literal hell hole.


Vixmin18

He thought it was another player. But he’s obviously furious. He knows who forced him to kill her, it’s only fair to raze the shot outfit them. In the novels we get a bit of lore about some ritual in the earlier books. But that was enough for me to guess they were the ones.


The1stHook

Consider it this way: the theocracy mind controlled his daughter, turned her into a killing machine, forced him to kill his own daughter and risk never getting her back (he didn’t know if the resurrection process would work) and left no trace so he could avenge her.


d3nji-

I wonder if Albedo had already killed any other supreme beings yet. She probably did.


SirYolox

Nope, no other Supreme Beings *can* be in the new world since all their WCI were inside Nazarick, only Momonga who was there was transported


d3nji-

Is it actually confirmed that that's how players end up in NW?


SirYolox

Maruyama is rarely ever clear with a lot of stuff, but this is pretty much the most widely accepted hypothesis. >!Can't confirm this, but apparently Maruyama said somewhere that Ainz was the only one transported this time around, so he will never meet another player!<


randomkrakken

Never is a bit strong


SirYolox

I'd agree if it wasn't that there's only 2 books left, unless Maruyama does a 100 year time skip and another bunch of players is transported I don't see it happening


d3nji-

Sad, after reading Vampire princess, I feel like ainz needs a friend badly. And it's unlikely to happen with all the npc around.


Lol111333

No you moron non of them have arrived and she even says that it's still in the planning stage in this volume.


d3nji-

Oh yeah I overlooked that


Notetoself4

Naw


d3nji-

In vol 16 epilogue, >!There was an affair she had been carrying out off the record from her master. Could it have been discovered?... However, it was still in the experimental stage. She hadn’t put it into full-scale operation. Would that much rage be directed at her in spite of that? Still, that was the only thing that she could think of that would cause him to direct feelings of anger against her.!< >!But that's what I think. A theory you might say. !<


RektCompass

A) it says she's in experimental phase. B) Maruyama has already stated there are no players.


raf-owens

How did you read the vol 16th epilogue but still wonder if she killed any Surpeme Beings? The quote from the light novel you posted literally answers your own question...


d3nji-

Shhhhhhhhh don't out me like that