Vol 10
Ainz had plans to bring Katze plain under his dominion. Of particular note were the rumours of a ship that cruised along the land, which piqued Ainz's interest.
Why would an undead interest Ainz. Maybe because Ainz cant create that type of undead, and as Ainz is a collector, he wants that Ghost ship.
In vol 12 theres a whole scene around ghost ship of SK.
Not any undead below 90 but undead with weak \[Turn Resistance\]
>The \[Undead Domination\] effect which he was most wary of did not take
place. Of course, he had never once lowered his \[Turn Resistance III\] in order
to protect against it.
If Ainz were to deactivate his Turn Resistance, then Night Liches may be able to dominate him.
>An Overlord like Momonga had the following
skills:
>
>bla bla bla, \[Turn Resistance III\], bla bla bla
Overlord requires level 80. Which means it's not below 90 and it's directly related to resistance.
That's not control. Ainz can summon them. They are literally part of him. They worship the summoner, they have recent memories of him and there is a telepathic link.
We are talking about Undead domination. Ainz has to use Silent Message spell to communicate with them in his mind.
A summon monster control is extremely similar to domination. As the casters level determines the summon he can control. If Ainz does not have the skills that let him control higher level undead then he won't be able to use them. But if the undead in question has a build which is designed to resist domination from a higher level player then it would be impossible.
Not similar at all. It's not domination. Why do you think Nigun can summon a Dominion Authority and Decem can summon level 87 Primal Earth Elemental? Enri can summon a goblin army too.
There is another flaw in your statement. Ainz can summon Overlords and they all have [Turn Resistance III].
The point you missed is that summoning skills and spells comes from classes. Overlord racial class is the thing that gives him ability to summon 4 level 70 undead a day. The spells also come from classes and you can choose to get a summoning spell of the tiers and categories available to you from that class.
You might be misremembering another thing too. In vol 16, Ainz said that the system didn't allow you to get the abilities that summons monsters higher leveled than you. But that's just for balance, not because you can't dominate higher leveled person.
Not to mention Undead Domination works only on undeads and Ainz can summon all kinds of monsters. *Mind blows*
So? It still registers as "his spell" because he cast it. Just like scrolls, staves and wands.
The guy is saying summoned monster is "dominated" and it must be weaker than the summoner for this to be possible.
That may be so but casting a spell yourself and using borrowed magic are two different scenarios. For example he may have more control over the summon if he casted the spell himself. There's also the possibility that the borrowed spell scales with the level of the caster.
I don't think every level increases the stats by the same amount. In games the amount of stats you gain per level tends to get higher the more you level up. 80% of a level 100's stats might be higher than the stats of a level 80. Not sure. It could also be lower.
**System**
Ainz can dominate undead like we have seen in The Vampire Princess of the lost Kingdom. However, all of his abilities come from the Yggdrasil System or New World System. There is a chance that the system might not view "infected" as zombies.
**Zombies**
There are 4 main types of Zombies:
* Magic
* Dnd and fantasy
* Ash vs Evil Dead
* Don't use bites, but instead a magical process.
* Radiation
* Radiation
* Chemical Spill
* Infected
* Virus
* Bacteria
* Fungus
* Parasite
* Nano Bots
* Nanites
* Nano bots
**Magic**
If the zombies in question were magically created, then I think there is a good chance they would be considered zombies by the System.
**Radiation**
However, I'm not so sure about Radiation. Personally, I never liked the radiation zombies. They never had a good explanation and the more you think about it, the more they don't make sense. Additionally, they sort of function like magically created ones where they can be a talking head, but also act like infected ones, so they don't really fit in a category very well.
I have no idea of what they would fall into.
**Infected**
Infected Zombies are typically still humans physically, so I don't think the will be seen as zombies. They will probably be seen as a negative status or debuff. Maybe even a curse.
We do run into Gashokukochuuou, who is a Parasite-like creature in Overlord. He can live within peoples bodies and control them. He got some of the workers bodies for a new house... and Nueronist even went to visit them. Since they are "alive" I don't believe they would be considered undead.
**The Last of Us**
The last of us zombies are fungus-based, so since that is a living organism they wouldn't be considered undead. Overlord has a lot of interesting plant creatures.
* Treants
* Dryad
* Mandrakes
* Death Vines
We also see Ropers and Herd Ropers which are insect swarm-like creatures, so swarm mechanics do exist. There are some undead that sort of fall into this (necroswarm, necroswarm giant), but it isn't an undead only thing.
There was also Gashokukochuuou who might be able to control multiple bodies.
**Exceptions**
Resident Evil is one of the few zombie movies where the infection can actually evolve humans into something else. They might be considered undead, but many of them still have to eat and stuff like that. I feel like they would probably be considered a living creature.
Not only, in the evil eye side story novel it was revealed that an entire organisation of high level liches exist (well, high level for new world standards)
also from time to time stronger undead might spawn (for example once few soul eaters appeared in a demi human city and killed, iirc, 90% of it's inhabitants)
In NW, yes. Since most 'free' undead in NW are comparatively low level and lacks high intelligence , Ainz can control them through some ritual.... i think any undead below ... 90 (??) ..
also don't know if it will also affect unique undead like one in six arms .. but in that case just showing superior power may be enough to break their will
He has the ability to dominate any undead under level 90. Due to his Overlord Necromancer build.
Yeah. Like Ainz doesnt have the ability to create ghost ship, so he dominated over Ghost ship of Katze plain.
In which volume does Ainz go to do this? Side story?
Vol 10 Ainz had plans to bring Katze plain under his dominion. Of particular note were the rumours of a ship that cruised along the land, which piqued Ainz's interest. Why would an undead interest Ainz. Maybe because Ainz cant create that type of undead, and as Ainz is a collector, he wants that Ghost ship. In vol 12 theres a whole scene around ghost ship of SK.
But there's no volume that mention how he does it ,right?
Its clearly implied. And ig he does it in side novel, as op mentioned it.
Not any undead below 90 but undead with weak \[Turn Resistance\] >The \[Undead Domination\] effect which he was most wary of did not take place. Of course, he had never once lowered his \[Turn Resistance III\] in order to protect against it. If Ainz were to deactivate his Turn Resistance, then Night Liches may be able to dominate him. >An Overlord like Momonga had the following skills: > >bla bla bla, \[Turn Resistance III\], bla bla bla Overlord requires level 80. Which means it's not below 90 and it's directly related to resistance.
It is also related to level as the final undead summon Ainz can control is level 90.
That's not control. Ainz can summon them. They are literally part of him. They worship the summoner, they have recent memories of him and there is a telepathic link. We are talking about Undead domination. Ainz has to use Silent Message spell to communicate with them in his mind.
A summon monster control is extremely similar to domination. As the casters level determines the summon he can control. If Ainz does not have the skills that let him control higher level undead then he won't be able to use them. But if the undead in question has a build which is designed to resist domination from a higher level player then it would be impossible.
Not similar at all. It's not domination. Why do you think Nigun can summon a Dominion Authority and Decem can summon level 87 Primal Earth Elemental? Enri can summon a goblin army too. There is another flaw in your statement. Ainz can summon Overlords and they all have [Turn Resistance III]. The point you missed is that summoning skills and spells comes from classes. Overlord racial class is the thing that gives him ability to summon 4 level 70 undead a day. The spells also come from classes and you can choose to get a summoning spell of the tiers and categories available to you from that class. You might be misremembering another thing too. In vol 16, Ainz said that the system didn't allow you to get the abilities that summons monsters higher leveled than you. But that's just for balance, not because you can't dominate higher leveled person. Not to mention Undead Domination works only on undeads and Ainz can summon all kinds of monsters. *Mind blows*
Nigum can't summon a dominion authority, hence why he needed a spell sealed in a crystal to do so.
So? It still registers as "his spell" because he cast it. Just like scrolls, staves and wands. The guy is saying summoned monster is "dominated" and it must be weaker than the summoner for this to be possible.
That may be so but casting a spell yourself and using borrowed magic are two different scenarios. For example he may have more control over the summon if he casted the spell himself. There's also the possibility that the borrowed spell scales with the level of the caster.
Can Pandora actor do this as well when he is Ainz considering the fact that he can only copy 80 lvls of Ainz?
Wasn't it 80% not levels?
Yea but isn’t 80% of Ainz power just lvl 80?
Let me put that in perspective for you. Zeshi is level 88. Is she just 12% weaker than Ainz?
I don't think every level increases the stats by the same amount. In games the amount of stats you gain per level tends to get higher the more you level up. 80% of a level 100's stats might be higher than the stats of a level 80. Not sure. It could also be lower.
**System** Ainz can dominate undead like we have seen in The Vampire Princess of the lost Kingdom. However, all of his abilities come from the Yggdrasil System or New World System. There is a chance that the system might not view "infected" as zombies. **Zombies** There are 4 main types of Zombies: * Magic * Dnd and fantasy * Ash vs Evil Dead * Don't use bites, but instead a magical process. * Radiation * Radiation * Chemical Spill * Infected * Virus * Bacteria * Fungus * Parasite * Nano Bots * Nanites * Nano bots **Magic** If the zombies in question were magically created, then I think there is a good chance they would be considered zombies by the System. **Radiation** However, I'm not so sure about Radiation. Personally, I never liked the radiation zombies. They never had a good explanation and the more you think about it, the more they don't make sense. Additionally, they sort of function like magically created ones where they can be a talking head, but also act like infected ones, so they don't really fit in a category very well. I have no idea of what they would fall into. **Infected** Infected Zombies are typically still humans physically, so I don't think the will be seen as zombies. They will probably be seen as a negative status or debuff. Maybe even a curse. We do run into Gashokukochuuou, who is a Parasite-like creature in Overlord. He can live within peoples bodies and control them. He got some of the workers bodies for a new house... and Nueronist even went to visit them. Since they are "alive" I don't believe they would be considered undead. **The Last of Us** The last of us zombies are fungus-based, so since that is a living organism they wouldn't be considered undead. Overlord has a lot of interesting plant creatures. * Treants * Dryad * Mandrakes * Death Vines We also see Ropers and Herd Ropers which are insect swarm-like creatures, so swarm mechanics do exist. There are some undead that sort of fall into this (necroswarm, necroswarm giant), but it isn't an undead only thing. There was also Gashokukochuuou who might be able to control multiple bodies. **Exceptions** Resident Evil is one of the few zombie movies where the infection can actually evolve humans into something else. They might be considered undead, but many of them still have to eat and stuff like that. I feel like they would probably be considered a living creature.
I'm really satisfied with your answers. Thank you, Mr moderator guy
I mean in overlord they would be around lvl 1~3 so yeah probably.
Eh, I was kind of hoping he couldn't so he'd be force to make ones from his magic
He's always making undead with his magic(technically skill). Almost every single day along with Pandora in fact.
Not only, in the evil eye side story novel it was revealed that an entire organisation of high level liches exist (well, high level for new world standards) also from time to time stronger undead might spawn (for example once few soul eaters appeared in a demi human city and killed, iirc, 90% of it's inhabitants)
Of course not.
In NW, yes. Since most 'free' undead in NW are comparatively low level and lacks high intelligence , Ainz can control them through some ritual.... i think any undead below ... 90 (??) .. also don't know if it will also affect unique undead like one in six arms .. but in that case just showing superior power may be enough to break their will
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Guy, I already knew that and it is why I put that into the post's description