Yeah, 20 years ago I recall it as not so much "Las Vegas Strip," more like "Star Wars cantina." Lot of women with that 27-going-on-55 late-stage heroin / crack / meth look. Pretty sad.
Is there as much pimp exploitation there as there is in Oakland?
That's why I kinda went "So, that's news?" In '97 when I first landed in the Bay Area it wasn't long to figure out 16th/Capp was hooker central. At 7 AM you couldn't help but get approached by at least 2 "ladies" They were crack heads or meth heads and usually toothless offering their services before you could even get your tools out of the truck so you can work.
Just sounds like they are of a slightly higher caliber now. "Vegas Strip?" The problem has always been there, the neighborhood has just got gone more upscale as well.
I remember in the early 2000s when I had to walk past 16th/Capp on my way from BART to work, someone had stuck a whole bunch of those stick-on air fresheners all over the side of one of the buildings at the intersection. It was funny, but didn't do a lot to improve the ambience.
Some of "these guys" are about as evil as you can imagine. If you want to ruin your next meal, read [this court of appeals decision from a couple years ago](https://casetext.com/case/people-v-rich-2096), concerning the evidence against an Oakland pimp sentenced to 159 years to life for how he treated the women and girls that he controlled.
I just read it. That is some crazy terrible shit. And to think that that is representative of just one case concerning a handful of people. The sick reality is there are thousands of people living out these stories daily, living hell on earth. Just sad for humanity.
This is my street & I do not believe the escalation is associated with Backpage closing.
In my view, this is a strict human trafficking business sanctioned by SF City Hall.
Easy money for the pimps. Who cares about the women & kids that live on Capp???
I believe, it will take one of the residents to put a cap in one of these people’s ass (either the hookers, pimps or Johns), for City Hall to come to the rescue (of the underprivileged pimp, hooker or Jhon) & deal with this.
In SF, is obvious that people that work & pay property taxes, have less value then the street people (that includes the homeless junkies & homeless with mental heath issues).
Your last statement rings too true.
Those of us trying to make a living, raise kids and build a nice community and be part of oneare basically just cows milked for money by different people with the authority to take it, or ask for it to benefit anybody and everyone else
That's why it's crazy when you actually have politicians who live in rich, safe and nice areas, knowingly advocating for "sex workers" to work in *our* neighborhoods, without any type of legal consequences.
Yeah, these politicians don't have to live here where prostitutes and pimps are all over the streets and being ran by organized crime.
>In my view, this is a strict human trafficking business sanctioned by SF City Hall.
I agree. And it makes it worse when you have politicians like Scott Weiner and governors like Gavin Newsom passing laws to make it easier for prostitution to take place on our streets.
>I believe, it will take one of the residents to put a cap in one of these people’s ass (either the hookers, pimps or Johns), for City Hall to come to the rescue (of the underprivileged pimp, hooker or Jhon) & deal with this.
Unlikely to happen as hookers and pimps are usually connected to local organized crime or are paying "taxes" to local organized crime for protection and the "right" to work those areas. A civilian getting violent with a pimp for example in order to get them off the street would likely result in retaliation against that civilian by whatever gangs that pimp and prostitute are connected to.
>In SF, is obvious that people that work & pay property taxes, have less value then the street people (that includes the homeless junkies & homeless with mental heath issues).
As long as it's not occurring on the streets of voters who make significant financial donations to politicians, or on the streets of "somebodies", government is less inclined to do anything about it.
Kind of like how when a mass shooting occurs in the suburbs, it makes national headlines. But when it occurs in the hood, "mainstream" America doesn't seem to care. It doesn't make national headlines. It's like it's expected and even acceptable.
> But when it occurs in the hood, "mainstream" America doesn't seem to care. It doesn't make national headlines. It's like it's expected and even acceptable.
Chicago: [47 homicides, 176 shot and not killed](https://heyjackass.com/) so far this year.
https://privatedelights.ch/ is also a big one. I Don't think backpage shutting down was the only factor for why we are seeing the increase of girls walking the blade tho
Capp and Shot-well Street are always well known for human trafficking in San Francisco for the past 30 years.
I honestly think Slow Streets would stop majority of the vehicular traffic (John’s) and (pimps) from congregating in that neighborhood.
Back in the day the area was norte/sureno territory, i'm sure still is. It's hard to speculate how involved they are with prostitution on capp tho then and now.
Gotta remember the city and the bay have a long history with pimping culture even without organized gangs.
>Back in the day the area was norte/sureno territory, i'm sure still is. It's hard to speculate how involved they are with prostitution on capp tho then and now.
Thanks for the confirmation. If it's still Norte/Sur territory, then it's unlikely that those two gangs *aren't* getting a cut of the "taxing" profits. Out-of-towners trying to do illegal business in a local gang's territory would viewed as a major violation.
>Gotta remember the city and the bay have a long history with pimping culture even without organized gangs.
In regards to pimping, I've mostly only heard about it with regards to Oakland, but SF doesn't surprise me.
The thing about some bay area cities, Oakland for example, they mostly didn't have Bloods and Crips. They had neighborhoods, but not actual street gangs, and especially not the type of organized crime hierarchy that street gangs today have. So it wouldn't surprise me if pimps and prostitues *weren't* being taxed back in the 60s and 70s. But starting in the 1980s, Bloods, Crips, Norteno and Sureno gangs blew up in Northern California.
I know another bay area city where out-of-town pimps tried to establish a hoe stroll in Norteno territory, and the Nortenos ran them out, only for the pimps to come back with gun play, and there was some back-and-forth. Supposedly they initially got ran out because that Norte hood didn't want that occurring in their community, but it could have just been a tactic to eventually get the pimps to pay them protection money.
I don't know any prostition/brothels that *aren't* ran or taxed by street gangs, and/or organized crime.
[Fillmore Slim baby!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OqRpOhMWGI)
It's hard to speculate but I wouldn't assume every girl is connected because there is a lot of independent pimps and girls here.
The black street gangs are still the same as you said. Tho the bloods and crips never established themselves as black street gangs in the bay due to the BGF. Yeah there was that cambodian crip set in the TL in the 2000s and some other weirdo sets but those don't count lol. Sac on the other hand is thick with the red/blue color banging.
>Fillmore Slim baby!
Thanks for the link.
>It's hard to speculate but I wouldn't assume every girl is connected because there is a lot of independent pimps and girls here.
I'm not as well-versed in SF street politics. Fillmore is a predominantly black area, so since black street politics are very different, and less structured than Mexican street politics, I can see that any pimping/hoeing going on there might not be taxed or controlled by criminal organizations. But again, maybe it is, because SF still has some degree of block banging, right? Just not Bs and Cs.
>The black street gangs are still the same as you said. Tho the bloods and crips never established themselves as black street gangs in the bay due to the BGF. Yeah there was that cambodian crip set in the TL in the 2000s and some other weirdo sets but those don't count lol. Sac on the other hand is thick with the red/blue color banging.
Yeah, SF seems to have been very successful in resisting any Bloods/Crips setting up shop. Oakland doesn't have any either I think, though there's Nortenos, and maybe still BBs. I think SSL has been gone for a while now.
When I was a kid and the Navy was still headquartered in the Bay Area, prostitution was a pretty accepted practice. During fleet week not only would the streets be filled with sailors, every prostitute in the western United States and Canada would show up to ply their trade. Not just Capp street, but on O'Farrell, Geary, Filmore were the locations for the mid price ladies. Post and Geary near the hotels was for really high end street walkers. Polk street was for teenage boys.
I wish some one would make a documentary or even write a book about those days. Not to glorify it per se, just as a historical remembrance. If anyone knows of any books/movies or such please share!
If you want to watch some old SF history (but way glorified) watch Warrior on HBO max. It’s about the Chinese tongs in the late 1800’s and the Irish. I mean it’s not super accurate but def accurate enough if you Wikipedia it.
Most news isn't news anymore. It's just recycled junk with updated headlines. I keep getting sucked into articles about reddit posts from years ago. It's lazy and stupid. Yet I keep clicking...
In my mind, absolutely. They’re victims of human trafficking. Even if prostitution was legal, the idea of paying for sex is repugnant. Just my perspective.
Yup, its had that reputation for a long time. For those with a strong stomach, Volman's "The Royal Family" provides an amazing overview of the 90's underworld in SF. It's fiction, but the dude clearly knew a lot of working girls and pimps.
In the 1990s, I used to party at friends’s places on Capp & also park my car on Capp, byw 20th & 21st. There were no hookers there. They used be on Capp, between 16th & 17th.
In 2002, there used to be one fat hooker on South Vanness & 17th; she often asked me for a $ to buy a hot dog, because, & I quote: “I’ve been here since 7:30 & I have not made any $”. I may have given her $ once.
She was a minor manner drug addict. Really sad site to see
The ironic part about that story is that the Las Vegas strip doesn’t have sex workers roaming the streets, Clark county, takes prostitution on the streets very seriously.
Actual sex workers, or the ladies dressed up in revealingly flamboyant / exotic outfits so folk can hand them cash to get a photo taken with them?
It's usually the dudes slapping business cards to get your attention, for either strippers for Strip hotel rooms, or rides outside of Clark County to another one where it's legal... but actually finding a prostitute on the Strip isn't as common as entertainment media would make you believe.
Alas, we didn't get far enough in the conversation for her to inform me of her preference for lodging. It's entirely possible that her adherence to Clark County's provisions was just around the corner.
I was staying at the Bellagio and there were a ton of them at the casino lounge bars. It was actually annoying because you could not find a place to sit
I think it depends on the current owner on the casino. The cheap places I go to, like Circus Circus don't have call girls. Hell--the only women there are working the floor as waitresses, and dealers.
Maybe I'm just good at spotting them since I've picked up many.
Talking the main strip now, not Fremont st. I've taken a few back to my hotel when I visit (work sends me every few months)
There are signs. I see one I want, approach and go. Only one time, I ran into one that was more than I wanted to spend. beautiful Asian girl hanging out on one of the walkways that crosses the strip (South one, somewhat near MGM and NY)
She wanted $500.
I simply walked down the ramp and through another entryway (or whatever you call the sections of a building you walk through when there's no sidewalk) and found a pretty black girl that wanted $100 instead.
But, point is, each trip, I was able to find them easily, and not the high priced call girls.
I can’t speak to how seriously Clark County or LV Metro takes anything in particular, but I can attest that I’ve been approached multiple times on the Strip by women who I’m fairly sure were sex workers.
I was told by a prostitute (met her in a bar.) that cops were her best clients. It kinda made sense. They are usually divorced by the time they hit 35, and the only people that want to socialize with them are other cops.
[From a 2008 article.](https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2008/04/23/cops-treating-child-prostitutes-as-victims/)
"Pimps rent vehicles such as U-Haul trucks, sport utility vehicles or custom 70s vans, advertising by word of mouth to 'come and have a good time.'"
That's a good business plan. Renting a Sprinter van sounds cheaper than renting a motel room. (I'm done with Reddit today. Sometimes this site just depresses me more.)
>There were people having sex on the stairs going up to my front door around the same time of this. So it's not that the prostitutes are breaking into houses."
You can be both "*Legalize it*" and "*Get a room!*" at the same time.
It is also illegal for motel/hotel owners to rent to hookers. Making it harder for them to get a room for a short time, therefore most likely increasing the amount of times they have sex with their clients in public.
Came here to say this. Legalization and regulation would solve so many of the issues from pimps in the street, trafficking, diseases, on and on. Just legalize it.
The cops could station an officer there to keep the sex workers and the residents safe. They could get to know who the maniacs are and who the reasonable ones are. They could arrest people for public sex and dangerous driving. They could respond quickly to violent crimes. There’s a great deal the police could do if they were willing.
This sounds like “I paid $1.5 mil for my house, it was 50% over asking, but my neighborhood didn’t gentrify! I have no compassion for the people who have to live this shitty life, they’re nothing but criminals!”
Downvote me for siding with the disenfranchised. I’d be more concerned if the women are trafficked than anything else. Maybe talking to them could help you figure it out, and you could get them help, so they don’t fuck on your stoop every night
>SFPD's Mission Station Captain M. Gavin McEachern said they've made multiple arrests on the alleged sex work activity, but are limited on what they can do. Last year, Governor Gavin Newsom signed a state law from San Francisco lawmaker Scott Weiner decriminalizing loitering that appears to be sex work.
>"*We've made a lot of traffic enforcement out there in an effort to address the Johns, the costumers that are coming in to the district*," said Captain McEachern. "*Unfortunately there have been some recent legislation that has been passed by our state senator which has now made loitering for the purpose of prostitution no longer a criminal offense. So our hands have been tied.*"
Well there you go.
I would love to know how many people SFPD arrested for "loitering for the purpose of prostitution" before that law, and how many of them were just PoC doing absolutely nothing wrong being arrested for "standing whilst black". Seems like kind of a lame excuse by SFPD to not do their jobs.
I'd also like to know. Cinco de Mayo-type festivities, or clubbing weekends, I don't recall anyone that I knew or was around getting arrested for "standing whilst black/brown" or wearing club attire.
Additionally, Newsom apparently passed a law that decriminalized loitering laws meant to curb prostitution. So yeah, SFPD are now more hindered to do their jobs by Newsom passing Scott Weiner's proposed law.
I love SFPD. "It's hard to do our jobs so we won't do it."
It's still illegal to solicit or engage in sex work. Do your damn job. It's hard because you can't rely on a completely subjective "that guy looks like he's looking for a hooker"? I'm guessing that's never been abused.
> I love SFPD. "It's hard to do our jobs so we won't do it."
It's not even cause it's "hard", it's cause a law got passed that they don't like. Since BLM/Floyd protests it seems like cops have been doing this kinda shit more and more especially in SF, but it's hardly something new.
Yep. The lowest of low-hanging fruit, loitering which _seems_ to be for the purpose of solicitation, is no longer a crime so their “hands are tied”.
What fucking clowns.
Most women don't turn to prostitution because they want to walk the streets. Arresting them will only set them further back in moving on from sex work.
If you want prostitution to be illegal, going after the prostitutes won't prevent it from happening.
Most laws against criminal activity isn't going to completely prevent criminal activity from happening. It's meant to curb or reduce it, and curb and reduce the harm to society.
Does going after sex workers prevent them from entering the profession? I would assume most do it as a last resort and targeting them will have a negligible impact on activity. Going after the demand side and pimps who will coerce people into selling their bodies will have a larger impact at curbing prostitution.
>Does going after sex workers prevent them from entering the profession?
For more rational people who wisely want to avoid doing time or having arrests on their permanent record, yes.
Additionally, you're argument could apply to pimps as well. Does going after pimps prevent people from entering the pimping profession? What about pimps who *don't* coerce women into prostitution, and view themselves simply as "managers and security"?
>I would assume most do it as a last resort and targeting them will have a negligible impact on activity.
You're assuming this, but based on what exactly?
In my experience, no, many don't do it as a "last resort." They do it because it's easy money and they think it can have them living the glamorous fast life. Pimping and hoeing is also glamorized in pop-culture, in that it's portrayed as being a "hustler" and "money getter." Some women (and men) start out by entering into romantic relationships solely for the purpose of getting their phone bills paid, receiving expensive gifts, money, etc. When that's still not enough, they might decide to graduate to actual prostitution or escorting for more money involving less time/less work.
>Going after the demand side and pimps who will coerce people into selling their bodies will have a larger impact at curbing prostitution.
How much experience or knowledge do you have on the topic? Many prostitutes have a pimp of some kind. It's not a trade/career that you can go it alone in. They're not likely to be having sex with strange men in hotels, cars, or their own private dwellings without the security provided by a pimp, "manager," street gang, or criminal organization. Additionally, they need the connection to handle the law enforcement avoidance aspect.
I wonder when San Jose will get one of these street? Just not in my neighborhood. (nymby)
Please lord leave these women alone and let them earn their income. Fuck with the Pimps all day long, send them to jail.
Used to see them walking along first street by the motels when I would take the lightrail like 10 years ago. I assume at least, they would walk down the street in what was basically lingerie and or clothing even shorter then what is worn clubbing.
>Please lord leave these women alone and let them earn their income. Fuck with the Pimps all day long, send them to jail.
Hardly any of these prostitutes are working the streets without a pimp. It just doesn't happen. The few "renegades" that try don't last long.
Additionally, it's organized crime that's taxing prostitutes and pimps to work certain, if not already actively involved in pimping.
Sounds just like East 15th St. in San Antonio neighborhood in Oakland. Both are residential streets one block off the main drag (Mission / International) with sex workers strolling around out in the open. And unlike the SF location, they're there even in the daytime — you can even see a few of them on Street View lol.
Has turned? We were touring a house in that intersection in 2010 and the first comment by our agent was that the area was frequented by dealers and prostitutes 🤷🏽♂️. The Mission is healing?
Sex workers are not allowed on the Las Vegas strip, sex work is only legal in Nevada in towns with the population less than 40,000. People don't know what they're talking about often.
True. I live two blocks away and ride my bike across Capp Street every night. It’s insane how many prostitutes are there nowadays, and how aggressive they are, literally walking down the middle of the street in next to nothing. Have to be extra careful so I don’t get hit by a John looking at a girl instead of the road. It’s hella sketchy.
Just fucking make brothels ( correct me if they are called something else now) legal.
What is the point of making these women put their lives at risk or in the hands of a John or whatever they are called??
Make an official safe space. Paying wage, shit benefits too( I know it’s probably a stretch but they deserve it) Take decriminalizing prostitution a step up! It’s never going away and the women (and men) deserve to be safe for fuck sake! Why hasn’t this happened yet? People still clutching pearls about paying for sex? There will always be a demand for it it’s just a fact.
*To be clear highly regulated safe space * age appropriate, no johns, protected, frequent screening for stds, no trafficking risk , The whole nine yards.
>Just fucking make brothels ( correct me if they are called something else now) legal.
There's already brothels in operation all over the bay area, and johns are aware of this, but they still want the excitement of picking up women on the streets. There's nothing stopping johns either from just using google to find an escort they can meet discreetly at a hotel. Just going on Twitter or IG you see plenty of local women that have profiles saying "email for 'booking' info."
>What is the point of making these women put their lives at risk or in the hands of a John or whatever they are called??
Johns or tricks are also putting their lives at risk when picking up prostitutes, whether it be on the streets or through some Backpage-type website. It's not exactly uncommon for johns to get robbed or worse by prostitutes or pimps. Even Cardi B bragged about setting up johns by drugging them and robbing them.
>Make an official safe space. Paying wage, shit benefits too( I know it’s probably a stretch but they deserve it) Take decriminalizing prostitution a step up!
Didn't Amsterdam do this for the most part? And it resulted in an increase in human trafficking and organized crime.
>It’s never going away
Armed robbery, murder, theft, and so on aren't ever going to go away either.
>and the women (and men) deserve to be safe for fuck sake! Why hasn’t this happened yet? People still clutching pearls about paying for sex? There will always be a demand for it it’s just a fact.
It's not clutching pearls if you actually understand the consequences of that life. The pornographic film industry was formally legalized sometime in the 1970s, and yet, despite supposedly being well-regulated and safe, the industry and its advocates refuses to require the use of basic safe sex protection such as condoms for their performers. And how well-regulated is the online porn industry, when anyone can upload pornographic videos for $$$, and there's no way to verify the ages of the performers, what safe sex practices or testing were used if any, or whether or not the people appearing in the video even consented to having the video uploaded (revenge porn for example), etc.
In regards to legalized prostitution, you're likely to have organized crime get involved, just like how the mafia was heavily involved in porn theaters and porn video distribution. In Amsterdam, organized crime runs much of the red light district, to which in recent years, the government had to reduce the size of the district in order to combat this problem.
>\*To be clear highly regulated safe space \* age appropriate, no johns, protected, frequent screening for stds, no trafficking risk , The whole nine yards.
How are the prostitutes going to be protected if it's legalized? Who will be providing security for the prostitutes? Wouldn't they have to be managed in some way, like the role a pimp or "madame" serves? How would you prevent the liklihood of human trafficking? We have plenty of undocumented people working in all aspects of society currently, and much of "legitimate" society relies and encourages illegal immigration and human trafficking in order to use cheap labor. How would you prevent undocumented people from this same situation? Would undocumented people be excluded from becoming legal prostitutes?
Yeah, I lived in the hood in 2001 and it was no different then.This sounds like gentrifiers who moved without looking into what the 'hood was like.
Leave sex workers alone!
Don't move to places you don't want to live!
All the people acting like this is somehow the result of decriminalizing are totally ignorant of the fact that this area has ALWAYS been this way. Be careful your right-wing "logic" is showing. (it does sound like shotwell's folks moved to capp, but if that's such an issue, take down the slow street!)
Oh that is what this was? We were walking to a bar on Mission and there was two girls standing in the middle of the street. One was pretty much naked from the waist down.
remember this?
[The 'girls' move on / Douglas Chin's rain of rebar chased Capp Street's hookers away -- three blocks](https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/The-girls-move-on-Douglas-Chin-s-rain-of-2924715.php)
Problem's gotten worse in the last five months but the loitering law only took effect a month ago. SFPD blaming everyone but themselves as usual, it seems.
In 2018 about 100 neighbors convened to BEG Hillary Ronen to help rid the neighborhood of sex work. About 40 people stood up, one by one, and told harrowing stories about living on Capp Street, such as hiding in the bathtubs with their children as bullets rang outside and pierced their homes, from dueling pimps on the street. The residents, her constituents, told stories of minor girls being kidnapped in broad daylight on Capp. Then, at the very end of the night, one lone radical white sex work activist stood up and told the room that we should care for the sex workers too, that they should be welcomed in our neighborhood. One.white.woman. spoke in support of the rights of the sex workers. What did Ronen do? She FUNDED the radical sex work activists to the tune of $2 million (St James Infirmary, radical folks who take city money and do nothing to help the sex workers). She did nothing for the neighbors. Ronen has no common sense and has shown no concern for the residents. But tell her a bleeding heart story about the down trodden, and even though her constituents are shielding their kids from bullets, she FUNDS the people who are working against a SAFE district 9 Mission neighborhood. Hillary Ronen has ruined our neighborhood and with every step has worked against the health and safety of its residents. She has got to go.
I lasted lived in SF more than 20 years ago and back then 16th and Capp was where you went for cheap dope and cheap hookers; sounds like things are looking better over there.
When I used to be an Uber driver and often drove through Oakland during the dead of night, I noticed that most of the sex workers there were found around International Blvd. and 5th St.
Now that you finally figured out, you can never stop it. How about trying something else. Legalize and regulate it. Clean it up, and bring it inside so it can be safe for everyone. But for God's sake, don't tax it! If you tax, it will just stay underground, outside dangerous, and dirty. Just like your failed attempts to tax Marijuana.
Always has been wth. There have always been pockets of whores as far down as Florida St. Then over there in the Tenderloin, on Polk + O'Farrell you got all the trans whores.
I lived on 18th and Florida for 10 years from 2008-2018 and this is nothing new.
One night I was driving back from a friend’s house in Noe Valley, I forget what exact street I was on, but definitely in the streets between 22nd and Capp and my place… it was late I was driving a little slow then had to stop cuz a group of working girls were sorta blocking the way slowly crossing the street.
Suddenly my passenger door opened and a not unattractive broad in the shortest mini skirt and fuck me pumps gets right in. I’m like “uhh wtf?!” She says “i’m sorry I just need to get away from here right now, can you just drive me down a few blocks and let me out?” Me having had quite a few Fernet shots earlier thought fuck it whatever this is not the weirdest thing that’s happened to me living in the Mission so I drove.
She was actually pretty nice to chat with, from Vallejo but then lived off Albany with her Aunt. I drove her to the Safeway at 16th and Potrero, she gave me her card with her number on it and said she owed me. I was tempted to call her a couple times, but never did pull the trigger.
Do you think she really had to get away from there, or maybe just an aggressive sales tactic, hoping you'd proposition her while driving? Maybe hoping you're the captain-turned-john-type?
She actually never pressed me offering her services. I think she just needed to get away from a john or her pimp and I happened to be right there at that moment
And we live in fucking San Francisco, when did sex work become illegal and something shameful?
When the tech Bros came and ruined what was our beloved weird city.
Get rid of them all.
If only there were some readily available website where a person could look up things like that...
Oh wait!!! [https://www.google.com/maps/?q=capp%20st%20mission](https://www.google.com/maps/?q=capp%20st%20mission)
Man capp street used to be known as the end of the line for working girls. Crazy to see it coming back.
I think Shotwell is the true end of the line
Shotwell is now a slow street, so they've moved to Capp.
now it makes sense
Husband used to live on Shotwell - can confirm.
Oof...
Just because the Shotwell ladies would describe their varying services from $2-$20 doesn't mean her husband took advantage of any of those services
I wonder what a $2 blowjob is like.
It doesn't involve many teeth
So, good then.
HAHAHA That's between him and the ladies (just kidding - gotta know your partner's history to be safe, of course).
Yeah, 20 years ago I recall it as not so much "Las Vegas Strip," more like "Star Wars cantina." Lot of women with that 27-going-on-55 late-stage heroin / crack / meth look. Pretty sad. Is there as much pimp exploitation there as there is in Oakland?
That's why I kinda went "So, that's news?" In '97 when I first landed in the Bay Area it wasn't long to figure out 16th/Capp was hooker central. At 7 AM you couldn't help but get approached by at least 2 "ladies" They were crack heads or meth heads and usually toothless offering their services before you could even get your tools out of the truck so you can work. Just sounds like they are of a slightly higher caliber now. "Vegas Strip?" The problem has always been there, the neighborhood has just got gone more upscale as well.
I remember in the early 2000s when I had to walk past 16th/Capp on my way from BART to work, someone had stuck a whole bunch of those stick-on air fresheners all over the side of one of the buildings at the intersection. It was funny, but didn't do a lot to improve the ambience.
There is even more.
It's a career chose for some of these guys.
Some of "these guys" are about as evil as you can imagine. If you want to ruin your next meal, read [this court of appeals decision from a couple years ago](https://casetext.com/case/people-v-rich-2096), concerning the evidence against an Oakland pimp sentenced to 159 years to life for how he treated the women and girls that he controlled.
I just read it. That is some crazy terrible shit. And to think that that is representative of just one case concerning a handful of people. The sick reality is there are thousands of people living out these stories daily, living hell on earth. Just sad for humanity.
Lot more street walkers since backpage closed down. The first week it closed 1st street in SJ reminded me of the 90’s.
I wonder why: there are a lot of other websites that took over for backpages.
The liability, and it's a crime now. Something like accessory to something? Even Craigslist got rid of the tamer looking for love stuff.
This is my street & I do not believe the escalation is associated with Backpage closing. In my view, this is a strict human trafficking business sanctioned by SF City Hall. Easy money for the pimps. Who cares about the women & kids that live on Capp??? I believe, it will take one of the residents to put a cap in one of these people’s ass (either the hookers, pimps or Johns), for City Hall to come to the rescue (of the underprivileged pimp, hooker or Jhon) & deal with this. In SF, is obvious that people that work & pay property taxes, have less value then the street people (that includes the homeless junkies & homeless with mental heath issues).
Your last statement rings too true. Those of us trying to make a living, raise kids and build a nice community and be part of oneare basically just cows milked for money by different people with the authority to take it, or ask for it to benefit anybody and everyone else
That's why it's crazy when you actually have politicians who live in rich, safe and nice areas, knowingly advocating for "sex workers" to work in *our* neighborhoods, without any type of legal consequences. Yeah, these politicians don't have to live here where prostitutes and pimps are all over the streets and being ran by organized crime.
>In my view, this is a strict human trafficking business sanctioned by SF City Hall. I agree. And it makes it worse when you have politicians like Scott Weiner and governors like Gavin Newsom passing laws to make it easier for prostitution to take place on our streets. >I believe, it will take one of the residents to put a cap in one of these people’s ass (either the hookers, pimps or Johns), for City Hall to come to the rescue (of the underprivileged pimp, hooker or Jhon) & deal with this. Unlikely to happen as hookers and pimps are usually connected to local organized crime or are paying "taxes" to local organized crime for protection and the "right" to work those areas. A civilian getting violent with a pimp for example in order to get them off the street would likely result in retaliation against that civilian by whatever gangs that pimp and prostitute are connected to. >In SF, is obvious that people that work & pay property taxes, have less value then the street people (that includes the homeless junkies & homeless with mental heath issues). As long as it's not occurring on the streets of voters who make significant financial donations to politicians, or on the streets of "somebodies", government is less inclined to do anything about it. Kind of like how when a mass shooting occurs in the suburbs, it makes national headlines. But when it occurs in the hood, "mainstream" America doesn't seem to care. It doesn't make national headlines. It's like it's expected and even acceptable.
> But when it occurs in the hood, "mainstream" America doesn't seem to care. It doesn't make national headlines. It's like it's expected and even acceptable. Chicago: [47 homicides, 176 shot and not killed](https://heyjackass.com/) so far this year.
Disgusting, what time did you say theyre out there, so I know when to stay away?
I see what you did here 😎👍
Haha the downvotes in this comment are hilarious 😂
Its what happens when the feds shut down backpage. They were able to pre screen johns on those sites.
Eros.com is the new one.
https://privatedelights.ch/ is also a big one. I Don't think backpage shutting down was the only factor for why we are seeing the increase of girls walking the blade tho
Eros has been around for a while. Redbook was the go-to before it got shut down.
Capp and Shot-well Street are always well known for human trafficking in San Francisco for the past 30 years. I honestly think Slow Streets would stop majority of the vehicular traffic (John’s) and (pimps) from congregating in that neighborhood.
No they won’t. Johns pick up on S Van Ness at the laundromat.
I am fine with them moving to South Vanness. At least I will get some sleep.
I think 9th st in east Oakland is the end of the line.
Isn't/wasn't Capp Street and Shotwell ran by street gangs?
Back in the day the area was norte/sureno territory, i'm sure still is. It's hard to speculate how involved they are with prostitution on capp tho then and now. Gotta remember the city and the bay have a long history with pimping culture even without organized gangs.
>Back in the day the area was norte/sureno territory, i'm sure still is. It's hard to speculate how involved they are with prostitution on capp tho then and now. Thanks for the confirmation. If it's still Norte/Sur territory, then it's unlikely that those two gangs *aren't* getting a cut of the "taxing" profits. Out-of-towners trying to do illegal business in a local gang's territory would viewed as a major violation. >Gotta remember the city and the bay have a long history with pimping culture even without organized gangs. In regards to pimping, I've mostly only heard about it with regards to Oakland, but SF doesn't surprise me. The thing about some bay area cities, Oakland for example, they mostly didn't have Bloods and Crips. They had neighborhoods, but not actual street gangs, and especially not the type of organized crime hierarchy that street gangs today have. So it wouldn't surprise me if pimps and prostitues *weren't* being taxed back in the 60s and 70s. But starting in the 1980s, Bloods, Crips, Norteno and Sureno gangs blew up in Northern California. I know another bay area city where out-of-town pimps tried to establish a hoe stroll in Norteno territory, and the Nortenos ran them out, only for the pimps to come back with gun play, and there was some back-and-forth. Supposedly they initially got ran out because that Norte hood didn't want that occurring in their community, but it could have just been a tactic to eventually get the pimps to pay them protection money. I don't know any prostition/brothels that *aren't* ran or taxed by street gangs, and/or organized crime.
[Fillmore Slim baby!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OqRpOhMWGI) It's hard to speculate but I wouldn't assume every girl is connected because there is a lot of independent pimps and girls here. The black street gangs are still the same as you said. Tho the bloods and crips never established themselves as black street gangs in the bay due to the BGF. Yeah there was that cambodian crip set in the TL in the 2000s and some other weirdo sets but those don't count lol. Sac on the other hand is thick with the red/blue color banging.
>Fillmore Slim baby! Thanks for the link. >It's hard to speculate but I wouldn't assume every girl is connected because there is a lot of independent pimps and girls here. I'm not as well-versed in SF street politics. Fillmore is a predominantly black area, so since black street politics are very different, and less structured than Mexican street politics, I can see that any pimping/hoeing going on there might not be taxed or controlled by criminal organizations. But again, maybe it is, because SF still has some degree of block banging, right? Just not Bs and Cs. >The black street gangs are still the same as you said. Tho the bloods and crips never established themselves as black street gangs in the bay due to the BGF. Yeah there was that cambodian crip set in the TL in the 2000s and some other weirdo sets but those don't count lol. Sac on the other hand is thick with the red/blue color banging. Yeah, SF seems to have been very successful in resisting any Bloods/Crips setting up shop. Oakland doesn't have any either I think, though there's Nortenos, and maybe still BBs. I think SSL has been gone for a while now.
♫ Oh the Capp street girls, with their pretty curls and bows, and the lonely lights in their eyes... ♫. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNLMZAwMrFc
It’s ‘See A Pee-Pee’ street for a reason
Goddamnit.. take my upvote, dad.
Either you peaked in life with this comment or you have an extraordinary future ahead of you. Regardless, well done.
It’s all downhill from here
What the hell is a penis lobster pie, and what life choices do I have to make to ensure I never encounter one?
God ! I love Reddit
Lmao!
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Took me a minute
Pretty soon it will be called clap street...
When I was a kid and the Navy was still headquartered in the Bay Area, prostitution was a pretty accepted practice. During fleet week not only would the streets be filled with sailors, every prostitute in the western United States and Canada would show up to ply their trade. Not just Capp street, but on O'Farrell, Geary, Filmore were the locations for the mid price ladies. Post and Geary near the hotels was for really high end street walkers. Polk street was for teenage boys.
I wish some one would make a documentary or even write a book about those days. Not to glorify it per se, just as a historical remembrance. If anyone knows of any books/movies or such please share!
If you want to watch some old SF history (but way glorified) watch Warrior on HBO max. It’s about the Chinese tongs in the late 1800’s and the Irish. I mean it’s not super accurate but def accurate enough if you Wikipedia it.
Alice: Memoirs of a Barbary Coast Prostitute This is from 1913 but a fascinating read.
I read this book and it’s a fantastic historical memoir
yep. classic sf. but the new tech migrants have no clue.
As US Navy sailor from the Alameda base I appreciate this comment
Turning into? Hasn’t it been that way for decades?
Right? Maybe people who stick to Valencia St. would be aghast and agog at this news, but everyone else has known this for years
Most news isn't news anymore. It's just recycled junk with updated headlines. I keep getting sucked into articles about reddit posts from years ago. It's lazy and stupid. Yet I keep clicking...
It’s way worse than it’s ever been. At least three times the number of prostitutes.
“Worse”?
In my mind, absolutely. They’re victims of human trafficking. Even if prostitution was legal, the idea of paying for sex is repugnant. Just my perspective.
"ever"? Because it's pretty much been like that off and on for decades.
That area has been like that since at least the 90’s when I first lived there.
Yup, its had that reputation for a long time. For those with a strong stomach, Volman's "The Royal Family" provides an amazing overview of the 90's underworld in SF. It's fiction, but the dude clearly knew a lot of working girls and pimps.
yeah but now reddit has come in
Redditors now have plans to "just grab a burrito in the mission" tonight.
In the 1990s, I used to party at friends’s places on Capp & also park my car on Capp, byw 20th & 21st. There were no hookers there. They used be on Capp, between 16th & 17th. In 2002, there used to be one fat hooker on South Vanness & 17th; she often asked me for a $ to buy a hot dog, because, & I quote: “I’ve been here since 7:30 & I have not made any $”. I may have given her $ once. She was a minor manner drug addict. Really sad site to see
Was going to say the same
The ironic part about that story is that the Las Vegas strip doesn’t have sex workers roaming the streets, Clark county, takes prostitution on the streets very seriously.
that's what they say, but each one I've gotten there has been on the street (or the overpass walkways)
Actual sex workers, or the ladies dressed up in revealingly flamboyant / exotic outfits so folk can hand them cash to get a photo taken with them? It's usually the dudes slapping business cards to get your attention, for either strippers for Strip hotel rooms, or rides outside of Clark County to another one where it's legal... but actually finding a prostitute on the Strip isn't as common as entertainment media would make you believe.
I was solicited by a sex worker on an overpass outside the Aria four months ago. And then again two casinos down the strip.
No harm in talking to you, but the pros are going to suggest you get a room across county lines.
Alas, we didn't get far enough in the conversation for her to inform me of her preference for lodging. It's entirely possible that her adherence to Clark County's provisions was just around the corner.
This reads like a work email
It's also entirely possible that I forgot to deactivate my work voice when I decided to stop writing emails and start faffing about on Reddit.
It was great touching base about the prostitution today. I hope you have a wonderful weekend. Friendly reminder to please bring cash next week.
Very possibly her friends in uniform to arrest you for looking for a good time.
Indubitably.
I was staying at the Bellagio and there were a ton of them at the casino lounge bars. It was actually annoying because you could not find a place to sit
I think it depends on the current owner on the casino. The cheap places I go to, like Circus Circus don't have call girls. Hell--the only women there are working the floor as waitresses, and dealers.
yeah, that take is pretty terrible. You would have to actively look for that type of activity. It’s not on the strip just waiting for you.
Maybe I'm just good at spotting them since I've picked up many. Talking the main strip now, not Fremont st. I've taken a few back to my hotel when I visit (work sends me every few months) There are signs. I see one I want, approach and go. Only one time, I ran into one that was more than I wanted to spend. beautiful Asian girl hanging out on one of the walkways that crosses the strip (South one, somewhat near MGM and NY) She wanted $500. I simply walked down the ramp and through another entryway (or whatever you call the sections of a building you walk through when there's no sidewalk) and found a pretty black girl that wanted $100 instead. But, point is, each trip, I was able to find them easily, and not the high priced call girls.
Upvoted, just because you told your truth, which is also the truth and the buying and selling of sex should be legalized to reduce sex slavery.
I can’t speak to how seriously Clark County or LV Metro takes anything in particular, but I can attest that I’ve been approached multiple times on the Strip by women who I’m fairly sure were sex workers.
Turned into. It's been that way since I first moved to SF in 1991.
I was told by a prostitute (met her in a bar.) that cops were her best clients. It kinda made sense. They are usually divorced by the time they hit 35, and the only people that want to socialize with them are other cops.
That makes a lot of sense. I've seen tons of cops in the mission chatting with the call girls.
There's been Sex Workers operating in San Francisco since the last Ice Age. The only thing that changes is the default streets you would check first.
Capp St. / Shotwell has always been pretty rough.
Capp St. has been known for this since at least the '90s.
It has always been. Must be new residents.
It’s way worse than it has been historically. Like three times the number of hookers.
You keep saying that. How many is that? 3?
I’d estimate 7-10 per block.
Way worse? Or way *better*?
Hah dude, I used to see people operating brothels out of cargo vans on Capp back in like 2007. This ain’t new.
[From a 2008 article.](https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2008/04/23/cops-treating-child-prostitutes-as-victims/) "Pimps rent vehicles such as U-Haul trucks, sport utility vehicles or custom 70s vans, advertising by word of mouth to 'come and have a good time.'"
That's a good business plan. Renting a Sprinter van sounds cheaper than renting a motel room. (I'm done with Reddit today. Sometimes this site just depresses me more.)
Just legalize it already
>There were people having sex on the stairs going up to my front door around the same time of this. So it's not that the prostitutes are breaking into houses." You can be both "*Legalize it*" and "*Get a room!*" at the same time.
afaik sex in public is illegal and legalizing prostitution wouldn't change that
It is also illegal for motel/hotel owners to rent to hookers. Making it harder for them to get a room for a short time, therefore most likely increasing the amount of times they have sex with their clients in public.
Legalizing it would make it legal to operate regulated brothels where it would be taken off the street and get women out of the hands of violent pimps
That's fair.
Came here to say this. Legalization and regulation would solve so many of the issues from pimps in the street, trafficking, diseases, on and on. Just legalize it.
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We can't even build low income housing without neighborhood protest. A brothel would bring out the Medusa Karen's.
lol, there are already brothels all over SF
The Goliath NIMBYS
The cops could station an officer there to keep the sex workers and the residents safe. They could get to know who the maniacs are and who the reasonable ones are. They could arrest people for public sex and dangerous driving. They could respond quickly to violent crimes. There’s a great deal the police could do if they were willing.
Alot of johns are drunk/high after the bar too. A dui stop would be shooting fish in a barrel.
They could put up a website where the workers could rate their customers and warn other workers not to sleep with murderers and thieves. Oh wait
This sounds like “I paid $1.5 mil for my house, it was 50% over asking, but my neighborhood didn’t gentrify! I have no compassion for the people who have to live this shitty life, they’re nothing but criminals!” Downvote me for siding with the disenfranchised. I’d be more concerned if the women are trafficked than anything else. Maybe talking to them could help you figure it out, and you could get them help, so they don’t fuck on your stoop every night
>SFPD's Mission Station Captain M. Gavin McEachern said they've made multiple arrests on the alleged sex work activity, but are limited on what they can do. Last year, Governor Gavin Newsom signed a state law from San Francisco lawmaker Scott Weiner decriminalizing loitering that appears to be sex work. >"*We've made a lot of traffic enforcement out there in an effort to address the Johns, the costumers that are coming in to the district*," said Captain McEachern. "*Unfortunately there have been some recent legislation that has been passed by our state senator which has now made loitering for the purpose of prostitution no longer a criminal offense. So our hands have been tied.*" Well there you go.
Those nefarious costumers
forcibly dressing the street walkers in fishnets, appalling
I would love to know how many people SFPD arrested for "loitering for the purpose of prostitution" before that law, and how many of them were just PoC doing absolutely nothing wrong being arrested for "standing whilst black". Seems like kind of a lame excuse by SFPD to not do their jobs.
I'd also like to know. Cinco de Mayo-type festivities, or clubbing weekends, I don't recall anyone that I knew or was around getting arrested for "standing whilst black/brown" or wearing club attire. Additionally, Newsom apparently passed a law that decriminalized loitering laws meant to curb prostitution. So yeah, SFPD are now more hindered to do their jobs by Newsom passing Scott Weiner's proposed law.
Standing whilst Black, standing whilst trans, or—horror of horrors—standing while Black _and_ trans.
I love SFPD. "It's hard to do our jobs so we won't do it." It's still illegal to solicit or engage in sex work. Do your damn job. It's hard because you can't rely on a completely subjective "that guy looks like he's looking for a hooker"? I'm guessing that's never been abused.
> I love SFPD. "It's hard to do our jobs so we won't do it." It's not even cause it's "hard", it's cause a law got passed that they don't like. Since BLM/Floyd protests it seems like cops have been doing this kinda shit more and more especially in SF, but it's hardly something new.
Yep. The lowest of low-hanging fruit, loitering which _seems_ to be for the purpose of solicitation, is no longer a crime so their “hands are tied”. What fucking clowns.
go after the pimps and johns this is a good thing
>this is a good thing lol......
Most women don't turn to prostitution because they want to walk the streets. Arresting them will only set them further back in moving on from sex work. If you want prostitution to be illegal, going after the prostitutes won't prevent it from happening.
Nothing is gonna prevent it from happening.
Most laws against criminal activity isn't going to completely prevent criminal activity from happening. It's meant to curb or reduce it, and curb and reduce the harm to society.
Does going after sex workers prevent them from entering the profession? I would assume most do it as a last resort and targeting them will have a negligible impact on activity. Going after the demand side and pimps who will coerce people into selling their bodies will have a larger impact at curbing prostitution.
>Does going after sex workers prevent them from entering the profession? For more rational people who wisely want to avoid doing time or having arrests on their permanent record, yes. Additionally, you're argument could apply to pimps as well. Does going after pimps prevent people from entering the pimping profession? What about pimps who *don't* coerce women into prostitution, and view themselves simply as "managers and security"? >I would assume most do it as a last resort and targeting them will have a negligible impact on activity. You're assuming this, but based on what exactly? In my experience, no, many don't do it as a "last resort." They do it because it's easy money and they think it can have them living the glamorous fast life. Pimping and hoeing is also glamorized in pop-culture, in that it's portrayed as being a "hustler" and "money getter." Some women (and men) start out by entering into romantic relationships solely for the purpose of getting their phone bills paid, receiving expensive gifts, money, etc. When that's still not enough, they might decide to graduate to actual prostitution or escorting for more money involving less time/less work. >Going after the demand side and pimps who will coerce people into selling their bodies will have a larger impact at curbing prostitution. How much experience or knowledge do you have on the topic? Many prostitutes have a pimp of some kind. It's not a trade/career that you can go it alone in. They're not likely to be having sex with strange men in hotels, cars, or their own private dwellings without the security provided by a pimp, "manager," street gang, or criminal organization. Additionally, they need the connection to handle the law enforcement avoidance aspect.
Turned into? Capp and 17th has been peak-hooker in SF for like a decade plus
These journalists should learn how to correctly focus their video cameras. All the images are super blurry.
I worked nights nearby in 2013. It’s been this way for nearly a decade.
I wonder when San Jose will get one of these street? Just not in my neighborhood. (nymby) Please lord leave these women alone and let them earn their income. Fuck with the Pimps all day long, send them to jail.
Second street outside that laundromat, near where it intersects with First street, down the block from the Wienerschnitzel.
Used to see them walking along first street by the motels when I would take the lightrail like 10 years ago. I assume at least, they would walk down the street in what was basically lingerie and or clothing even shorter then what is worn clubbing.
>Please lord leave these women alone and let them earn their income. Fuck with the Pimps all day long, send them to jail. Hardly any of these prostitutes are working the streets without a pimp. It just doesn't happen. The few "renegades" that try don't last long. Additionally, it's organized crime that's taxing prostitutes and pimps to work certain, if not already actively involved in pimping.
I worked on Mission between 20th/21st from 1991-95. I parked on Capp. We been knew. Finally got a monthly spot at the garage on Barrett.
Am I dense or has it always been like this there
It’s been much more crowded over the past year.
I had a tshirt that said “Capp street is for hookers”
That’s disgusting. Like where though? Specifically.
Sounds just like East 15th St. in San Antonio neighborhood in Oakland. Both are residential streets one block off the main drag (Mission / International) with sex workers strolling around out in the open. And unlike the SF location, they're there even in the daytime — you can even see a few of them on Street View lol.
[This SFGATE article is from 25 years ago...](https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/PAGE-ONE-Fear-and-Survival-in-the-Devil-s-2801025.php)
It probably won't be any different 25 years from now :-(.
Has turned? We were touring a house in that intersection in 2010 and the first comment by our agent was that the area was frequented by dealers and prostitutes 🤷🏽♂️. The Mission is healing?
That’s disgusting !! Where on Capp was that at again?? Just want to make sure to avoid
I used to park off of Capp street for a few years, leaving pretty late at night 12-2am most nights. This has been going on since at least 2017/2018.
Thanks OP for adding the crucial detail (WHICH street?) to the clickbaity headline! You're doing the good work.
And they’re probably just disgruntled customers lol
It's always been like that there. This is not a new thing.
sex work is work and those people sound like humorless snobs
Sex workers are not allowed on the Las Vegas strip, sex work is only legal in Nevada in towns with the population less than 40,000. People don't know what they're talking about often.
Legalize and regulate
True. I live two blocks away and ride my bike across Capp Street every night. It’s insane how many prostitutes are there nowadays, and how aggressive they are, literally walking down the middle of the street in next to nothing. Have to be extra careful so I don’t get hit by a John looking at a girl instead of the road. It’s hella sketchy.
This isn’t new. Capp street has be full of nasty hookers since I was a kid
Wait, what street? I don’t believe you. Let me investigate and test drive.
Just fucking make brothels ( correct me if they are called something else now) legal. What is the point of making these women put their lives at risk or in the hands of a John or whatever they are called?? Make an official safe space. Paying wage, shit benefits too( I know it’s probably a stretch but they deserve it) Take decriminalizing prostitution a step up! It’s never going away and the women (and men) deserve to be safe for fuck sake! Why hasn’t this happened yet? People still clutching pearls about paying for sex? There will always be a demand for it it’s just a fact. *To be clear highly regulated safe space * age appropriate, no johns, protected, frequent screening for stds, no trafficking risk , The whole nine yards.
>Just fucking make brothels ( correct me if they are called something else now) legal. There's already brothels in operation all over the bay area, and johns are aware of this, but they still want the excitement of picking up women on the streets. There's nothing stopping johns either from just using google to find an escort they can meet discreetly at a hotel. Just going on Twitter or IG you see plenty of local women that have profiles saying "email for 'booking' info." >What is the point of making these women put their lives at risk or in the hands of a John or whatever they are called?? Johns or tricks are also putting their lives at risk when picking up prostitutes, whether it be on the streets or through some Backpage-type website. It's not exactly uncommon for johns to get robbed or worse by prostitutes or pimps. Even Cardi B bragged about setting up johns by drugging them and robbing them. >Make an official safe space. Paying wage, shit benefits too( I know it’s probably a stretch but they deserve it) Take decriminalizing prostitution a step up! Didn't Amsterdam do this for the most part? And it resulted in an increase in human trafficking and organized crime. >It’s never going away Armed robbery, murder, theft, and so on aren't ever going to go away either. >and the women (and men) deserve to be safe for fuck sake! Why hasn’t this happened yet? People still clutching pearls about paying for sex? There will always be a demand for it it’s just a fact. It's not clutching pearls if you actually understand the consequences of that life. The pornographic film industry was formally legalized sometime in the 1970s, and yet, despite supposedly being well-regulated and safe, the industry and its advocates refuses to require the use of basic safe sex protection such as condoms for their performers. And how well-regulated is the online porn industry, when anyone can upload pornographic videos for $$$, and there's no way to verify the ages of the performers, what safe sex practices or testing were used if any, or whether or not the people appearing in the video even consented to having the video uploaded (revenge porn for example), etc. In regards to legalized prostitution, you're likely to have organized crime get involved, just like how the mafia was heavily involved in porn theaters and porn video distribution. In Amsterdam, organized crime runs much of the red light district, to which in recent years, the government had to reduce the size of the district in order to combat this problem. >\*To be clear highly regulated safe space \* age appropriate, no johns, protected, frequent screening for stds, no trafficking risk , The whole nine yards. How are the prostitutes going to be protected if it's legalized? Who will be providing security for the prostitutes? Wouldn't they have to be managed in some way, like the role a pimp or "madame" serves? How would you prevent the liklihood of human trafficking? We have plenty of undocumented people working in all aspects of society currently, and much of "legitimate" society relies and encourages illegal immigration and human trafficking in order to use cheap labor. How would you prevent undocumented people from this same situation? Would undocumented people be excluded from becoming legal prostitutes?
Not a republican but this is what happens when you elect an overly liberal government. Plus now I have plans for tonight lol 😂
Yeah, I lived in the hood in 2001 and it was no different then.This sounds like gentrifiers who moved without looking into what the 'hood was like. Leave sex workers alone! Don't move to places you don't want to live! All the people acting like this is somehow the result of decriminalizing are totally ignorant of the fact that this area has ALWAYS been this way. Be careful your right-wing "logic" is showing. (it does sound like shotwell's folks moved to capp, but if that's such an issue, take down the slow street!)
Oh that is what this was? We were walking to a bar on Mission and there was two girls standing in the middle of the street. One was pretty much naked from the waist down.
Legalize and regulate
Back to the 90s! Capp Street Hos!
remember this? [The 'girls' move on / Douglas Chin's rain of rebar chased Capp Street's hookers away -- three blocks](https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/The-girls-move-on-Douglas-Chin-s-rain-of-2924715.php)
Problem's gotten worse in the last five months but the loitering law only took effect a month ago. SFPD blaming everyone but themselves as usual, it seems.
Isn't this news basically free advertising for the pimps?
In 2018 about 100 neighbors convened to BEG Hillary Ronen to help rid the neighborhood of sex work. About 40 people stood up, one by one, and told harrowing stories about living on Capp Street, such as hiding in the bathtubs with their children as bullets rang outside and pierced their homes, from dueling pimps on the street. The residents, her constituents, told stories of minor girls being kidnapped in broad daylight on Capp. Then, at the very end of the night, one lone radical white sex work activist stood up and told the room that we should care for the sex workers too, that they should be welcomed in our neighborhood. One.white.woman. spoke in support of the rights of the sex workers. What did Ronen do? She FUNDED the radical sex work activists to the tune of $2 million (St James Infirmary, radical folks who take city money and do nothing to help the sex workers). She did nothing for the neighbors. Ronen has no common sense and has shown no concern for the residents. But tell her a bleeding heart story about the down trodden, and even though her constituents are shielding their kids from bullets, she FUNDS the people who are working against a SAFE district 9 Mission neighborhood. Hillary Ronen has ruined our neighborhood and with every step has worked against the health and safety of its residents. She has got to go.
I lasted lived in SF more than 20 years ago and back then 16th and Capp was where you went for cheap dope and cheap hookers; sounds like things are looking better over there.
When I used to be an Uber driver and often drove through Oakland during the dead of night, I noticed that most of the sex workers there were found around International Blvd. and 5th St.
Drove by once on a Saturday night and jeez it’s definitely the end of the line.
Now that you finally figured out, you can never stop it. How about trying something else. Legalize and regulate it. Clean it up, and bring it inside so it can be safe for everyone. But for God's sake, don't tax it! If you tax, it will just stay underground, outside dangerous, and dirty. Just like your failed attempts to tax Marijuana.
me before i started smoking : “yeah, legalize it and tax the shit out of it, why not?!” me now: *attends boston tea party reenactment, feels seen*
Capp and Shotwell has had gun violence for years (decades?). Those people are brave for staying there or moving in.
Always has been wth. There have always been pockets of whores as far down as Florida St. Then over there in the Tenderloin, on Polk + O'Farrell you got all the trans whores.
I lived on 18th and Florida for 10 years from 2008-2018 and this is nothing new. One night I was driving back from a friend’s house in Noe Valley, I forget what exact street I was on, but definitely in the streets between 22nd and Capp and my place… it was late I was driving a little slow then had to stop cuz a group of working girls were sorta blocking the way slowly crossing the street. Suddenly my passenger door opened and a not unattractive broad in the shortest mini skirt and fuck me pumps gets right in. I’m like “uhh wtf?!” She says “i’m sorry I just need to get away from here right now, can you just drive me down a few blocks and let me out?” Me having had quite a few Fernet shots earlier thought fuck it whatever this is not the weirdest thing that’s happened to me living in the Mission so I drove. She was actually pretty nice to chat with, from Vallejo but then lived off Albany with her Aunt. I drove her to the Safeway at 16th and Potrero, she gave me her card with her number on it and said she owed me. I was tempted to call her a couple times, but never did pull the trigger.
Do you think she really had to get away from there, or maybe just an aggressive sales tactic, hoping you'd proposition her while driving? Maybe hoping you're the captain-turned-john-type?
She actually never pressed me offering her services. I think she just needed to get away from a john or her pimp and I happened to be right there at that moment
I must investigate. Personally.
There’s literally a billionaire row in SF. Increase their tax by like .1% and get cops stationed here and everywhere else.
What a ridiculously Written headline. “sf residents say”….”alleged”…”las Vegas”.
But thanks to OP for adding the parentheses so that the rest of us could immediately know what the article was actually about!
The ‘ol “I moved into an area well known for having nightlife/hookers/etc and now I’m SHOCKED to see that going on in MY area”
Make prostitution legal.
Let me get out my tiny violin for people who hate sex workers.
Hamstadam!
What do the various services cost? Asking for a friend.
And we live in fucking San Francisco, when did sex work become illegal and something shameful? When the tech Bros came and ruined what was our beloved weird city. Get rid of them all.
Where the hell is Capp street? Asking for a friend.
If only there were some readily available website where a person could look up things like that... Oh wait!!! [https://www.google.com/maps/?q=capp%20st%20mission](https://www.google.com/maps/?q=capp%20st%20mission)
It’s in Atherton. Ask the locals. They can give you specific directions.
Las Vegas Strippers you say? Where?... so I know what to tell my wife that I will be avoiding this street when I go into SF tonight!
Don't the cops work for us? It should be their job to keep these girls safe.