We went to the rainbow in LA to go see the lemmy statue after watching our friend play at the whiskey and ran into ron jeremy there he was grabbing up on our friends wife, like 2 months about before he was arrested. Guy is trash.
Iām not sure why people would feel as though theyāve been cheated out of justice? If heās mentally unfit for prison then he is mentally unfit for prison. This isnāt a win for him, a mental facility is arguably worst than prison
I donāt disagree with you but they want him to be punished for what he did, which is completely understandable. Iām guessing heāll be placed in a facility that specializes in Alzheimerās/dementia care. Or maybe there are state run mental health facilities that have a specific wing for Alzheimerās/dementia patients? Because even though they can cause psychiatric problems, these diseases are neurological, not psychiatric.
They do have state run facilities for Alzheimerās. They generally put them with the court ordered psychiatric patients simply because by nature the facilities are well equipped to handle the symptoms of Alzheimerās.
Punishment is subjective. What punishment would he have received in prison that he will not receive in the facility? Violence from guards and other inmates is more prolific in the facilities if I recall. His privacy is even more so invaded at the facility and forming social connections with other inmates is extremely difficult compared to prison
Couldnāt think of any worst punishment then. Seems as though justice was served plus some then. Iād be pleased with this result had he effected my life in anyway with his crimes.
Short of simply executing him, this seems like the full measure punishment
Justice means to make things ājustā. There is a difference between just and fair.
It isnāt fair to them that he doesnāt get his day in court but it isnāt about fairness sadly, itās about justice. By ensuring he will never do this to anyone else is as far as societal justice can take this one. By ensuring he goes mad and lives in despair is the ānatural justiceā that some refer to as karma if you will.
Thereās plenty of justice here. Just not a lot of fairness, Iāll give you that
Yeah between mental deterioration and commitment to a facility, RJ will almost certainly never hurt anyone else again. But I can imagine there might still be a lack of closure, at the same time. Getting this far into a very difficult process with the goal of at least having one's day in court or whatever, only to have that process abruptly cancelled? Could be understandably upsetting (or a relief, who knows).
I can see how that could be a struggle for the victims.
Yeah but on one hand you could say āI wish he was healthy enough to stand trail so I could give him a piece of my mind and get closureā
Or you could say that justice has been served on a societal level and a natural level. He is going to die a sad lonely death guaranteed. My wifeās grandmother has dementia and it truly can be a fate worst than death. I wouldnāt wish it upon my worst enemy to be honest.
Which is essentially unfit for prison if you know how this works. They canāt send someone unfit for trial to prison, but they can send them to a facility
Went to jail for a weekend and in patient psychiatric care for a suicide attempt at 18
Both were short stints but jail was easier
Watch your mouth
Why would that seem to be from someone who hadnāt been to both? You can find references online from people who had been to both. Mental facility is worst
You been to either??
Lawyers send home anyone who could reasonably question the credibility of their chosen experts. So yeah... more common than you'd think- also, literally Dan Abrams's šÆ?
damn, you guys have no idea how the system works. when someone is declared mentally incompetent or criminally insane they arenāt just let out, back into society. heāll be imprisoned in a secure facility.
Did you reply to my comment in error? Because I did NOT say or even insinuate Ron Jeremy is being let back into society. All I said, is that advanced dementia is a mental prison.
He seemed sane enough when I met him. He insisted it was his job the feed a colleagueās rabbit and seemed quite gentle. I have read that in rare cases dementia can make someone sexually aggressive. I wonder.
I can't speculate as to this guy's health and my experience is anecdotal, but when my grandpa was diagnosed with Alzheimer's he declined rapidly and passed in a matter of weeks. Thinking back, there were probably some small warning signs or comments that we should have picked up on sooner.
There was a day he was really confused and he went to the hospital because they thought it was blood sugar/pressure or something going on. They got the Alzheimer's diagnosis that week. Maybe 3 weeks later he didn't recognize me anymore, the week after that his body "forgot" how to swallow water and we had to put this powder in it to thicken it up so he wouldn't choke. He passed in his sleep early one morning shortly after that.
Pretty horrifying disease, I expect that medical professionals have thoroughly examined the defendant. It's a lot more difficult to fake something like this than people realize. I hope his victims can eventually find peace.
American here: a state hospital is where those who are convicted of a felony but are mentally Ill are sent.
Essentially what will happen is that they will be sent to one of the state hospitals where they will be treated with medications and different forms of therapy with psychiatrists, psychologists, social workers and so on, while they are monitored for progress in their mental health. If the administration decides that theyāve improved with treatment and are now capable of participating in a trial, they will then be sent to trial and if convicted, would end up in a prison that has different levels of psychiatric care and treatment available.
California has 6 state hospitals that houses people who may have been in prison for years, but their mental health has declined and they will be sent to a state hospital, such as Patton or Atascadero.
I just realized that I gave a long,blathering description of state hospitals, but realized that your question was why are they bad. Hereās why, in a nutshell:
Because youāre locked up with a lot of people who all either say theyāre God, doing Gods work by killing someone, have killed somebody and done something like eat their face or eyes or have tattooed āDRAKEā on their forehead.
They said state hospital not prison hospital. Is that what prison hospitals are called in America? Question was from a non American who doesnāt know the difference and probably comes from a country that treats its prisoners humanely.
A state hospital is different from a prison hospital. A prison hospital would be solely for people whoāve been tried and convicted of a crime.
Someone whoās been tried, and found not guilty by reason of insanity is usually sent to a state hospital.
But state hospitals arenāt just for accused criminals. Theyāre also for people with psychiatric problems who just canāt afford a private facility. And as you can imagine, the standard of living and care in a private facility is usually much better than a state facility.
The vast majority of people have no concept of how mental health issues affect criminal proceedings. Like being found not guilty by reason of insanity. People hear ānot guiltyā and assume you get away with the crime. But really youāre still locked up forever, probably with less freedom than regular prison.
Will Baker cut a random strangers head off and removed his guts. He wasnāt found criminally responsible due to mental health. Heās out in public right now, 7 years after being committed to a hospital.
There's a difference in a dementia-type disease like Ron Jeremy apparently has, which will progress until he is bedridden, can't speak, can't eat, and eventually dies, and a schizophrenia-type mental-illness that can be treated with medication. That said, I am in the camp who thinks Will Baker should have been committed for life due to the severity of his crime. What if he decides to stop taking his medication?
Thereās a state prison here in San Bernardino that, up until a few years ago, allowed both male and female patients to associate on the same yard at the same time. Theyād be seen walking the yard, holding hands and just being all in love and junk.
But occasionally, youād see them having sex somewhere on the yard. Between bushes, by a dumpster, middle of the yard. It wasnāt uncommon for females to end up pregnant. The administration and state finally realized it was a problem so now they allow them out at separate times.
The yard is like a park setting. Benches, a volleyball court, basketball courts, a paved track to walk or run, etc. itās not as bad as prison, but it still sucks.
This is what Iām personally having an issue with. I know heās not fit to stand trial now and so nothing can be done.
But this was known about for a long time, Iāve been reading stories about this cretin for years and years.
I donāt know him from his porn, I donāt live in America and yet the news has consistently been reporting on him and his violences for ages.
Iām very confused as to why this was never brought forth long before he was unfit to stand trial.
I know you think youāre answering my question but youāre not.
For someone in prison, youāre right.
But he was free and a terror for ages. And it was over decades and decades.
This was something that could have been dealt with ages ago.
But now it cant.
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Under the law (in America anyway) the issue is his competency to stand trial, not his competency at the time he committed the crimes. I do recall a case where an elderly man who had dementia was sent to prison for drug dealing. But Iām guessing he was in the early stages, or not so far gone that he was deemed incompetent.
By the same token, would you put a coma patient on trial? The point is that he has to be able participate in his own defence in court. He might be so obviously guilty that you think it doesn't matter, but suppose someone else was falsely accused, but had Alzheimer's so they couldn't defend themselves. Would that be fair? That's why people need to be mentally fit.
If he's ever found mentally competent he'll be put on trial, though seems unlikely if he has a degenerative brain disease.
You have to be mentally competent enough to help your lawyer form a defense. If his lawyer is asking him questions and heās talking nonsense and doesnāt understand whatās going on around him heās not able to go on trial. If his condition improves to where he can, the trial be scheduled again
The problem with prosecuting mentally (or medically) ill people, whether it be due to psychosis or dementia, is there is an argument put forward as to whether you're actually prosecuting "that" person still. If his illness is as advanced as is being reported, then the individual formerly known as Ron Jeremy technically no longer exists.
Saw Ron Jeremy sauntering through the Burbank airport once. Looked around to see if anybody else knew it was him. Made eye contact with another random dude and we gave each other a knowing nod.
mentally stability should not be a reason for someone to get away with what they have done because stable or not does not change the crime that has been done to the victim
Here in the civilized world we commit insane and mentally incompetent people to hospitals, not prisons. Furthermore, as I have discussed in other comments, going to a state hospital is hardly "getting off lightly."
Everyone has the same rights, which is why this is a thing. You have to be able to defend yourself. Remember, everyone in the U.S. is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
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I ran into Ron Jeremy once in a bathroom at a saddle ranch barbecue in Hollywood. He was picking lint out of his belly button. That is all
I laughed way harder at this than I should have š
Syphilis?
Thatās exactly what I thought! Iām sure they would have figured that out and treated him before it was too advanced though.
There are drug resistant versions out there.
And God knows if someone would have one it's him.
Could be that severe but reversible mental degradation that comes on right before a trial
[Relevant Drunk History](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b8toOox1No)
We went to the rainbow in LA to go see the lemmy statue after watching our friend play at the whiskey and ran into ron jeremy there he was grabbing up on our friends wife, like 2 months about before he was arrested. Guy is trash.
I didn't know he was ill
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My boss ran into him randomly while she was traveling for work and she said that he didn't seem like he was in there anymore.
Dude didnāt even recognize his lawyer. Heās gone
Iām heartbroken for the victims who will never see justice. But mentally, advanced dementia is a prison in and of itself.
Iām not sure why people would feel as though theyāve been cheated out of justice? If heās mentally unfit for prison then he is mentally unfit for prison. This isnāt a win for him, a mental facility is arguably worst than prison
I donāt disagree with you but they want him to be punished for what he did, which is completely understandable. Iām guessing heāll be placed in a facility that specializes in Alzheimerās/dementia care. Or maybe there are state run mental health facilities that have a specific wing for Alzheimerās/dementia patients? Because even though they can cause psychiatric problems, these diseases are neurological, not psychiatric.
They do have state run facilities for Alzheimerās. They generally put them with the court ordered psychiatric patients simply because by nature the facilities are well equipped to handle the symptoms of Alzheimerās. Punishment is subjective. What punishment would he have received in prison that he will not receive in the facility? Violence from guards and other inmates is more prolific in the facilities if I recall. His privacy is even more so invaded at the facility and forming social connections with other inmates is extremely difficult compared to prison
He has severe advanced dementia. Heās not going to be forming social connections, and probably wonāt even understand whatās going on around him.
Couldnāt think of any worst punishment then. Seems as though justice was served plus some then. Iād be pleased with this result had he effected my life in anyway with his crimes. Short of simply executing him, this seems like the full measure punishment
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Justice means to make things ājustā. There is a difference between just and fair. It isnāt fair to them that he doesnāt get his day in court but it isnāt about fairness sadly, itās about justice. By ensuring he will never do this to anyone else is as far as societal justice can take this one. By ensuring he goes mad and lives in despair is the ānatural justiceā that some refer to as karma if you will. Thereās plenty of justice here. Just not a lot of fairness, Iāll give you that
Yeah between mental deterioration and commitment to a facility, RJ will almost certainly never hurt anyone else again. But I can imagine there might still be a lack of closure, at the same time. Getting this far into a very difficult process with the goal of at least having one's day in court or whatever, only to have that process abruptly cancelled? Could be understandably upsetting (or a relief, who knows).
I can see how that could be a struggle for the victims. Yeah but on one hand you could say āI wish he was healthy enough to stand trail so I could give him a piece of my mind and get closureā Or you could say that justice has been served on a societal level and a natural level. He is going to die a sad lonely death guaranteed. My wifeās grandmother has dementia and it truly can be a fate worst than death. I wouldnāt wish it upon my worst enemy to be honest.
Unfit for TRIAL
Which is essentially unfit for prison if you know how this works. They canāt send someone unfit for trial to prison, but they can send them to a facility
I don't get it either. We know how a lot of these "accusations" actually go down.
Spoken like someone whoās never been to either
Went to jail for a weekend and in patient psychiatric care for a suicide attempt at 18 Both were short stints but jail was easier Watch your mouth Why would that seem to be from someone who hadnāt been to both? You can find references online from people who had been to both. Mental facility is worst You been to either??
Lawyers send home anyone who could reasonably question the credibility of their chosen experts. So yeah... more common than you'd think- also, literally Dan Abrams's šÆ?
damn, you guys have no idea how the system works. when someone is declared mentally incompetent or criminally insane they arenāt just let out, back into society. heāll be imprisoned in a secure facility.
Did you reply to my comment in error? Because I did NOT say or even insinuate Ron Jeremy is being let back into society. All I said, is that advanced dementia is a mental prison.
I read somewhere that he had Lewy body dementia.
He seemed sane enough when I met him. He insisted it was his job the feed a colleagueās rabbit and seemed quite gentle. I have read that in rare cases dementia can make someone sexually aggressive. I wonder.
I can't speculate as to this guy's health and my experience is anecdotal, but when my grandpa was diagnosed with Alzheimer's he declined rapidly and passed in a matter of weeks. Thinking back, there were probably some small warning signs or comments that we should have picked up on sooner. There was a day he was really confused and he went to the hospital because they thought it was blood sugar/pressure or something going on. They got the Alzheimer's diagnosis that week. Maybe 3 weeks later he didn't recognize me anymore, the week after that his body "forgot" how to swallow water and we had to put this powder in it to thicken it up so he wouldn't choke. He passed in his sleep early one morning shortly after that. Pretty horrifying disease, I expect that medical professionals have thoroughly examined the defendant. It's a lot more difficult to fake something like this than people realize. I hope his victims can eventually find peace.
I wonder if it's real, or like bill cosby hey I'm free now and suddenly I'm well enough to go on tour?
Well in his case if heās ever well enough to leave the mental hospital he will have to go to trial
Dementia, in a lot of ways may even be worse than prison. Especially if heās ordered to go to a state tan hospital for mentally ill felons.
Heās probably going to die soon, which I know doesnāt mean justice for his victims, but it might offer some solace knowing that heāll be gone.
how convenient for him
Not really. He's likely going to a state hospital, which is as bad if not worse than prison.
Non-American here, do you mind explaining to me why a state hospital is bad?
American here: a state hospital is where those who are convicted of a felony but are mentally Ill are sent. Essentially what will happen is that they will be sent to one of the state hospitals where they will be treated with medications and different forms of therapy with psychiatrists, psychologists, social workers and so on, while they are monitored for progress in their mental health. If the administration decides that theyāve improved with treatment and are now capable of participating in a trial, they will then be sent to trial and if convicted, would end up in a prison that has different levels of psychiatric care and treatment available. California has 6 state hospitals that houses people who may have been in prison for years, but their mental health has declined and they will be sent to a state hospital, such as Patton or Atascadero.
Thank you, kind stranger! Much appreciated.
I just realized that I gave a long,blathering description of state hospitals, but realized that your question was why are they bad. Hereās why, in a nutshell: Because youāre locked up with a lot of people who all either say theyāre God, doing Gods work by killing someone, have killed somebody and done something like eat their face or eyes or have tattooed āDRAKEā on their forehead.
If you weren't actually ill before, you will be now.
Weāre all a little cracked in the head, but most of us can keep it in check.
Same reasons that prisons are bad
You need an explainer on why a prison hospital is a bad place to be?
They said state hospital not prison hospital. Is that what prison hospitals are called in America? Question was from a non American who doesnāt know the difference and probably comes from a country that treats its prisoners humanely.
A state hospital is different from a prison hospital. A prison hospital would be solely for people whoāve been tried and convicted of a crime. Someone whoās been tried, and found not guilty by reason of insanity is usually sent to a state hospital. But state hospitals arenāt just for accused criminals. Theyāre also for people with psychiatric problems who just canāt afford a private facility. And as you can imagine, the standard of living and care in a private facility is usually much better than a state facility.
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So the inference that he's somehow getting off lightly is BS.
The vast majority of people have no concept of how mental health issues affect criminal proceedings. Like being found not guilty by reason of insanity. People hear ānot guiltyā and assume you get away with the crime. But really youāre still locked up forever, probably with less freedom than regular prison.
Bingo. They don't have to put term limits on mental health institutionalization, and they don't have to afford you parole hearings.
Will Baker cut a random strangers head off and removed his guts. He wasnāt found criminally responsible due to mental health. Heās out in public right now, 7 years after being committed to a hospital.
That's not typical, though. You can cherry pick anything.
Well, you can't really cherry pick apples, I learned that the hard way.
skill issue
There's a difference in a dementia-type disease like Ron Jeremy apparently has, which will progress until he is bedridden, can't speak, can't eat, and eventually dies, and a schizophrenia-type mental-illness that can be treated with medication. That said, I am in the camp who thinks Will Baker should have been committed for life due to the severity of his crime. What if he decides to stop taking his medication?
Thereās a state prison here in San Bernardino that, up until a few years ago, allowed both male and female patients to associate on the same yard at the same time. Theyād be seen walking the yard, holding hands and just being all in love and junk. But occasionally, youād see them having sex somewhere on the yard. Between bushes, by a dumpster, middle of the yard. It wasnāt uncommon for females to end up pregnant. The administration and state finally realized it was a problem so now they allow them out at separate times. The yard is like a park setting. Benches, a volleyball court, basketball courts, a paved track to walk or run, etc. itās not as bad as prison, but it still sucks.
Never seen Cuckoos Nest?
State hospitals were an entirely different thing during the era of One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest.
This has been an issue for decades.
This is what Iām personally having an issue with. I know heās not fit to stand trial now and so nothing can be done. But this was known about for a long time, Iāve been reading stories about this cretin for years and years. I donāt know him from his porn, I donāt live in America and yet the news has consistently been reporting on him and his violences for ages. Iām very confused as to why this was never brought forth long before he was unfit to stand trial.
It's possible he took a steep decline in prison. It's common for a massive life change to cause a massive mental decline.
I know you think youāre answering my question but youāre not. For someone in prison, youāre right. But he was free and a terror for ages. And it was over decades and decades. This was something that could have been dealt with ages ago. But now it cant.
He has never been proven guilty of anything. At this point it's likely he never will.
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I couldnāt help but laugh when I read Ron Jeremy, 69
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I had no idea he had gotten this bad mentally! This is surprising to me honestly
TIL Ron Jeremy is still alive, not sure why but since high school I just assumed the guy was dead
The āHedgehogā turned out to be a raper? You would think that the one type of person that doesnāt need to rape to have sex is porn actors.
Will that really matter? He was mentally competent during the time he committed the crimes
Under the law (in America anyway) the issue is his competency to stand trial, not his competency at the time he committed the crimes. I do recall a case where an elderly man who had dementia was sent to prison for drug dealing. But Iām guessing he was in the early stages, or not so far gone that he was deemed incompetent.
Ya letās go back in time and put that version of him on trial
By the same token, would you put a coma patient on trial? The point is that he has to be able participate in his own defence in court. He might be so obviously guilty that you think it doesn't matter, but suppose someone else was falsely accused, but had Alzheimer's so they couldn't defend themselves. Would that be fair? That's why people need to be mentally fit. If he's ever found mentally competent he'll be put on trial, though seems unlikely if he has a degenerative brain disease.
By the same token lmfao. Thats like comparing a car wash token to an arcade token
You have to be mentally competent enough to help your lawyer form a defense. If his lawyer is asking him questions and heās talking nonsense and doesnāt understand whatās going on around him heās not able to go on trial. If his condition improves to where he can, the trial be scheduled again
The problem with prosecuting mentally (or medically) ill people, whether it be due to psychosis or dementia, is there is an argument put forward as to whether you're actually prosecuting "that" person still. If his illness is as advanced as is being reported, then the individual formerly known as Ron Jeremy technically no longer exists.
The amount of pockets his helmet has seen, i'd be surprised to find out he hasn't raped over many decades
Saw Ron Jeremy sauntering through the Burbank airport once. Looked around to see if anybody else knew it was him. Made eye contact with another random dude and we gave each other a knowing nod.
Infuriating
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mentally stability should not be a reason for someone to get away with what they have done because stable or not does not change the crime that has been done to the victim
Here in the civilized world we commit insane and mentally incompetent people to hospitals, not prisons. Furthermore, as I have discussed in other comments, going to a state hospital is hardly "getting off lightly."
Everyone has the same rights, which is why this is a thing. You have to be able to defend yourself. Remember, everyone in the U.S. is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
With the type of work he did, you'd think he wouldn't have gone that route, we'll never really understand.
Rape is about power, abuse.
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I'm surprised he wasn't caught sooner