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CUBuffs1992

Bloodiest day of the Civil War, not the bloodiest battle.


needs_grammarly

i think these numbers are right, but an american died every 5 seconds that day


Living-Resource-2345

Lord have mercy on their souls


Thenateo

half of them at least


Living-Resource-2345

Why not all of them


The_Chubby_Dragoness

Cause half of em are traitors trying to own people


satanshand

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but individual soldiers weren’t wealthy enough to own slaves and there was mandatory service in the south. So a cobbler or stable boy from Alabama was forced to serve for the confederacy, right? Edit: I am correct. This battle happened several months after the forced conscription of the confederate army. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_Conscription_Acts_1862–1864


sobstoryexists

>So a cobbler or stable boy from Alabama was forced to serve for the confederacy, right? [Tell that to the 1st Alabama Cavalry](http://www.1stalabamacavalryusv.com/Default.aspx). Those Confederate soldiers always had a choice, they just chose to fight with slavery. Fuck them, they got what was coming to them even if Confederate simps like you want to rewrite history and pretend they didn't have a choice.


Box-Intelligent

Would you also consider Ukrainian Czech or Polish civilians that were drafted by the Nazis and shipped to fight the Americans Brits and free poles and French true believers in the Nazi cause?


Ultradarkix

When the other choice was facing capital punishment or abandoning all your loved ones if you manage to escape, it isn’t much of a choice. As it turns out drafted troops don’t have much of a choice in what they fight for


Tyrann0saurus_Rex

I like that you try to make the slavers like "good guys that had no choice" when even today people sporting confederate flags on their trucks think that segregation was a good thing. But nice try.


Legitimate_Dark_5015

I hope u continue this line of thinking onto todays wars. Every soldier who joined Vietnam even if undrafted are murderous scumbags. Everyone in the iraq war wanted to kill civilians. Individuals are not the people u should hate, more so the system and those who run it. These are all people who were taught this is the right thing or forced to kill.


The_Chubby_Dragoness

Fragging has alwayse been a morally correct option


satanshand

These guys didn’t carry grenades. They carried inaccurate single-shot black powder rifles. So shooting at one fellow soldier (who is likely a person from your community) one time and maybe being able to hit him probably didn’t seem like a good option to a semi-literate 17 year old with no access to any news or opinions that are different from his parents and their friends. All I’m saying is these kids didn’t deserve to die, they got roped into some shit they didn’t understand to protect the interests of wealthy elites they would never meet. Sound familiar?


yyds332

Sounds like virtually every conflict in the history of our species.


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supersoldier199

"From the lips of God to the hearts of man, let the past be past. Let the dead be dead now and forever American." -Unknown, 1865


jdmller1983

F Yes, this really should be the solution, but we've forgotten. The Hate and Intolerance survived the past.


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crumbypigeon

Because it's historically tonedeaf. The confederacy had conscription meaning many of those men were forced to fight, forced to kill or be killed, regardless of their beliefs. Reality isn't star wars where every person on the wrong side is incredibly evil and every person on the right side is good and righteous. It's far more complex than that.


JimDandy_ToTheRescue

Let's not get carried away with absolving southerners of blame either. When South Carolina, et al, seceded from the United States it was done specifically to preserve slavery. This was extremely popular and supported by most all free southerners at every economic level. As the war went on the CSA was forced to resort to conscription to keep it's armies in the field. Only then did your average Johnny Reb maybe regret previous choices.


The_Chubby_Dragoness

Southern Hics who dont like that their great grandpappy fought to own people


CogentNabob

Nope. I live in the north and my ancestors were slaves during the American Civil War. I just don't agree with a senseless disregard for any form of life.


sobstoryexists

Because this site is full of Confederate simps. Fuck them all, those Confederate soldiers deserved to be buried in an unmarked grave and forgotten. And the loser neo Confederates can talk conscription all they want, plenty of Southerners went north to join the Union Army. The 1st Alabama Cavalry acted as Sherman's guard while they burned Georgia to the ground.


viklinD

Ignorant


satanshand

Yeah Reddit is definitely know for how much it loves the Confederacy


fishman15151515

Most southerners viewed the Union troops as invaders. The south did not want war only to leave the United States. So when the southern states voted to secede Lincoln marched the Union south to stop it and reunite the states. Just with that alone it's easy to see how southerners viewed the north as invaders and violated their rights. This emboldened the southern fighters even more. Up to that point the south states always thought they could leave the union if they were unhappy....the civil war ended that thinking.


The_Chubby_Dragoness

Why did they want to leave the united states


fishman15151515

Same as it's always been. The north was stronger financially and politically. The south felt the north was forcing their views upon them. One of the primary catalysts was the issue of slavery but not only one. The main issue was they did not want the north to dictate their way of life and how they ran business. The money in the north was not happy with the souths free labor with slaves so they pushed to have it ended....which they did. This dramatic shift caused outrage in the south and separated the nation even further and brought on the movement to secede. Up until that time states rights were considered paramount and states felt they always had the right to leave the union since that right was also dictated in the constitution. Lincoln took steps to stop that from happening and even sent troops to block a vote in Maryland for that state to leave. Looking back it's easy to see why Lincoln stepped in he wanted to save the union and stop the secession but he also violated the constitution and that emboldened the south even more. It's easy to see how people in the south reading only newspapers written in the south would see their fight as justified. I would not consider them traitors but I can see how some will look at the facts of history and take a different viewpoint. Slavery was bad and immoral and that will forever validate Lincoln's actions in history.


notjakob

Gross


Thenateo

Gross is dying to protect the slave trade


TypowyLaman

Lmfao


ag3ncy

even the confederates?


LAXGUNNER

Yeah it was between 5 to 15 seconds. I visited the battlefield and just being there was surreal. I found an old musket poking out of a river bed near by. I ended up donating to the National Park Service (My mom wasn't too keen on me having an over century old musket in the house). The battlefield is just this massive open area surrounded by nothing but forest and a near by creek.


milkybonesbilbo

Bloodiest day in American history also if I'm not mistaken


CUBuffs1992

Depends on who you ask. Some don’t count CSA casualties. I do because I still think they were Americans. Misguided by their leaders but Americans still.


fffyhhiurfgghh

Yeah admitting it was a non American lose is defeating the purpose of a union. Like reunification is not occupying a foreign country.


CUBuffs1992

And Lincoln told his generals to send confederates home. Obviously some were punished but most were given full rights back as long as they swore an oath to the Union.


UnfairAd7220

Your last sentence was unnecessary...


CUBuffs1992

Why? I think they were misguided by the CSA government.


Dookiefresh1

I still find it crazy photographs existed this far back


3PNK

You also have to be careful with these pictures because they would sometimes stage photos back then, as in drag or rearrange the bodies to fit in their photo or make it more “interesting”.


chase2121dw

It looked to me like they stacked them for the photo here. Line infantry could have fallen like that though.


SirNedKingOfGila

Or they had already begin dragging dead together for processing/disposal.


chase2121dw

Definitely. Could have been any number of things. I would wager you are correct though.


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Yeah the collection of the dead in and of themselves for a photograph could have been part of the documentation process.


JoeyLock

There are a number of photos taken after this battle of [lined up dead bodies ready for burial](https://www.civilwarphotos.net/files/images/306.jpg), you can usually tell from the straight on their back 'pose' of the bodies that doesn't look like [a more natural way someone would tumble over](https://www.newyorkalmanack.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/A-soldier-looking-upon-a-Union-soldiers-grave-with-the-body-of-a-Confederate-soldier-seemingly-tossed-aside-in-Antietam-Maryland-September-1862-Photo-courtesy-of-Library-of-Congress-scaled-e1641927137872.jpg) if they've been hit as you can see in some other photos, plus their clothes are often all ruffled from likely being searched and then moved.


eliteniner

Like what caused this? Well placed canon fire? Consistent rifle (?) fire?


GrungyGrandPappy

Lead poisoning


13Kadow13

Rapid onset lead poisoning


EmpireITtech

I mean, they’ve been doing that for decades and still now (look at some of the ISIS recruitment videos). It happened in both WWI and II, Korea, the Vietnam war, etc etc. Will the time it takes to take photos in the Civil War, most pics are post action after the bodies have been searched and moved


Paooul1

Those are mainly true at Gettysburg. This one is accurate.


MMZEren

They still stage the stuff on TV.


Bart_The_Chonk

It was incredibly common, actually.


RC135M

I believe the 1st photo was shot in 1826, and I agree.


oldendayz99

The shoes…


Slothie__

These men have been picked clean haven't they? There are no guns or such. Not even a water bottle?


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They're dead, what possession do they need?


jdmller1983

If peace and respect were a possession.


dasredditnoob

The battlefield isn't even big, it's weird standing on spots at Antietam and knowing you would be standing on a pile of bodies 160 years ago, including this church which is still there.


Vektor2000

I think this scene is depicted in the tv series 1883.


Jano_something

It is, I just started watching it


hammerripple

Me too. High five. Quality show imo.


Uncle_Chael

Good title, but its historically innacurate.... you're forgetting the battle of Schrute farms. Truely the most bloody and deadly battle.


anywhereat

I looked it up. Thanks for broadening my historical horizons.


natphotog

Not the bloodiest, [the northernmost battle](https://theoffice.fandom.com/wiki/The_Battle_of_Schrute_Farms)


Uncle_Chael

This is a lie!


Paooul1

Those are actually confederate dead next to a confederate artillery position. The confederates held that part of the field during the battle.


zuzahin

Colorized by me if I'm not mistaken (it's late and my phone is dark), just so everyone is aware. More can always be said, but it's sn incredibly harrowing photograph, even if it's staged, which I'm not 100% sure it is entirely. There's a great series of shots from this battle, as well as Gettysburg (The Field of Death for instance) by the same photographer here, and it looks authentic. Blood looks right, there's stains under the bodies, etc.


RedSpartan3227

A great and a terrible day.


Pavel-Romanov

The worst thing is to think that there are many young people in America who are crying out for a civil war right now... I guess they find interesting the idea of ​​being stuck in a three-year siege on New York, eating their fallen comrades so as not to starve. The first American civil war was terribly brutal, the second would be off any scale so far.


I_Eat_Azz85

The ones screaming the loudest for civil war...have never seen the tragedy of war.


WIlbyr963

Your damn sure right about that. Those that have seen combat don’t wish it on their own country.


MathematicianAny2143

Most young people only want a civil war because they think the system is too broken to fix. I don't agree with that but when you look at it from their perspective then you understand. Still a civil war would be bloody and even then there is no guarantee that the replacement will be better.


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Pavel-Romanov

America is not a Christian theocracy, they never were, we must remember what England sent to the continent to understand the underlying values ​​of the former colony. If you are going to justify a suicidal civil war that would end up killing you in the first week, and yours in the first month, look for another excuse.


Sheeps

You misunderstand his comment. He does not suggest America was founded as a Christian theocracy or that it even is one now. He states that he does not want to live in a Christian theocracy, and avoidance of that would be worth a civil war. The unstated implication is that certain elements within the US are endeavoring to create a Christian theocracy, which I think is a fair reading of certain elements of the Right (and other elements that exploit that contingent for their own ends).


Pavel-Romanov

It is easier for the United States to become a Monarchical Empire than a Theocracy, too much historical pluralism. I'm not saying there aren't other elements that can take advantage of the chaos to create something terrible, but a Christian theocracy is pretty hard to pull off in the current scenario... anywhere.


Sheeps

You’re being a bit literal. I don’t think OOP means an America led by a papal-type figure, but an America whose laws and norms are dominated by fringe-Christian mandates - e.g., a ban on abortions, a walk-back of LGBTQ rights, the subservience of women (likely including the removal of the right to vote), and so on. The latter is very much being advocated for among certain elements of the Right.


Pavel-Romanov

That type of totalitarianism seems impossible to me in the USA, radical elements related to religion in America are counted on the fingers of one hand, the majority of believers only follow the "zero action" doctrine that the more moderate church advocates, even when the other side's attacks are violently brutal. To achieve something like that you would have to turn the shapeless mass of believers into Arab fundamentalist-style crusaders, and that's almost impossible in the United States. There are three things that can start a true all-out civil war in the US, a communist uprising, a nationalist pre-emptive attack, or a corporate coup.


Sheeps

You presume it needs to be a watershed moment, and not a “boiling of the frog.” Given recent developments in the US, we are certainly taking steps backwards as far as the separation of church and state and progress in women’s, reproductive, and LGBTQ rights. Also, no one is suggesting this will actually lead to a civil war. OOP said he would think a civil war preferable to the world envisioned by American Christian fundamentalists, who are very much more than that which can be counted on the fingers of one hand. 30-35% of the US population are Evangelical Christians, which does not include Catholics which can be equally fundamentalist. Not to mention others whose views are aligned but not necessarily religious in origin.


Pavel-Romanov

Well, being honest and leaving the media game, all that push and pull on reproductive rights and other things... it's a hoax, the full document doesn't really say anything alarming when you read it in full. It is a semi moderate measure in a country of total debauchery where even stealing is legal. But going back to the point of religious fundamentalism, there are many religious factions in the USA and that is the real weakness of this possibility, they will not agree unless Jesus himself comes down and tells them so. Too many points of view, and all "like fighting cousins" in critical parts. An unexpected religious fundamentalist could arise in Russia, in Brazil, but not in America.


Sheeps

I’m a US attorney and the draft decision is far from a “hoax,” it is an outrageously supported clawback of rights and liberties that flagrantly ignores stare decisis and which provides a blueprint for the erasure of other personal rights and freedoms. I am skeptical you would even comment it is a “hoax” and have my doubts about the position from which you are engaging in this discussion. As to your second point, you are, as James Brown once sung, “talking loud but ain’t saying nothing.” The religious Right already has immense sway in political and social matters and are seeking to increasingly exercise that power.


Killahdanks1

“All the dead know, is it’s better to be alive”


Abject-Firefighter-8

Does anyone else find it incredible that we have such high quality images from the literal 1800s? That someone standing in this field overlooking these soldiers, took this picture 160 years ago? Abraham Lincoln was the president then! It's insane!


Modern_Doshin

They had very long exposure times for "film" back then. Hense why you can find "ghosts" in some old west photos, which meant someone moved while the image was devolping


Sundancekid9000

Historians, was this the last war where Line infantry were used?


JimDandy_ToTheRescue

Historically, the next war is usually fought the way the previous one was, much to the detriment of the soldiers fighting. But no, massed infantry attacks lasted well into the 20th century (early battles of WW1, for example).


KCShadows838

I think the Prussian wars against Austria (1866) and France (1870) used line infantry


isla_violeta

That little church is still here today, and looks exactly the same. Kind of eerie


ferretkona

A lot of conflicting stories. Found on google: Lasting three days in 1863, from July 1-3, Gettysburg was the bloodiest battle ever fought on American soil, with up to 10,000 Union and Confederate troops dead and another 30,000 wounded.


Paooul1

Gettysburg is the bloodiest battle while Antietam was the bloodiest single day.


MoistWetSponge

>30,000 wounded Safe to say at least half of them succumb to their injuries from infection and poor medical care on top of that.


FrankTheBank25

War is a sometimes necessary evil, but nonetheless Rest In Peace to all the young men who suffered in this war.


military_history

They're probably Confederates. The [original publication](https://archive.org/details/photographichist02mill/page/n9/mode/1up?view=theater) does not provide a caption for this photo. [Wikipedia](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:DunkerChurchAntietam1862.jpg) suggests they are Confederates, but on the main Antietam page it's 'Confederate and Union dead lie together on the field'. However, they're lying next to an artillery limber on what was one of the main Confederate artillery positions during the battle, and the do not look to be wearing Union uniforms, especially if the colourisation can be trusted. This looks like it was an Alexander Gardner photograph (this one is very similar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Gardner_(photographer)#/media/File:Antietam_church.jpg). His photographs of the dead all claim to be of Confederates. Gardner visited the battlefield two days after the battle. [As some of his other photos show, cleanup work was well underway, and many if not most of the Union dead had been collected and buried.](https://home.nps.gov/anti/learn/historyculture/photography.htm) So the clearest evidence these are Confederates is that they were left unburied long enough for Gardner to photograph them.


scottishmilkman

The standard union blue wasn’t all that standard early in the war. A lot of northern Guard units wore grey, which led to a lot of confusion, and friendly fire.


military_history

I think I'm right in saying by September 1862 the vast majority of the Army of the Potomac had the standard Union uniforms.


scottishmilkman

You’re right, my mistake. Bull Run was the big driving force to standardize.


KCShadows838

Most US soldiers wore blue by 1862 Zouaves had red pants. I know some US Sharpshooters wore green


DanTactical

It’s so surreal to see a photo of this. Makes it feel so real compared to just reading about it on a book.


DecapitatedApple

This isn’t true the battle of shrute farms was the deadliest


AsbestosAirBreak

I’m pretty sure that was the northernmost battle of the war


mengelgrinder

Actual patriot heros who died for a good cause.


supersoldier199

Well, that's a Confederate sling cart surrounded by unarmed cannoneers, jean fabric uniforms with off-blue coats, and brogans instead of boots. ^(so yes)


Rougue1965

If reparations are owed, it should be for the Union soldiers who sacrificed their lives for the Union.


Living-Resource-2345

Them did slaughtered men in the battle long many White and black fighting together for the victory the Americans are joyfully enjoying today. Rest in peace Crispus Attucks.. The owner of the blood of Libration in the Americas. Rest in peace Nat Turner and many more.


P0rterR0ckwell

The Yankees had the plans and still almost lost


dasredditnoob

McClellan was pretty trash as a general, same with Burnsides.


JimDandy_ToTheRescue

McDowell, McClellan, Pope, McClellan again, Burnside and Hooker- the Army of the Potomac was ill-served by it's generals. Took until the middle of 1863 to get the competent, but not flashy or aggressive, General Meade for the army to not get let down by it's leadership.


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dasredditnoob

The guy despite the downvotes is telling the truth, McClellan bungled a ton of situations


supersoldier199

Can't forget John Pope. Gave a speech making him immediately hated by his men. During 2nd Manassas, ran into Jackson, Lee, and Longstreet and still decided to engage. Not only this, but he left no line of retreat, losing over 1/5th of his fighting force and resulting in him being reassigned to aid in the genocide of the Indians. Or Commissary Banks, who earned his nickname by leaving his supplies behind and likely prolonging the war by a good amount by supplying Confederate troops. Only reason he was in command till 1864 was because of politics, and he was hated by all above him. And this is just 2 of the 5 attempts at Richmond.


P0rterR0ckwell

A bad deal all around. I don't know if Sherman didn't go far enough as much as they shouldn't have ended occupation of the South so soon. But that's another argument


P0rterR0ckwell

Yikes, didn't think a factual statement would get down votes. They did indeed have the battle plans and still screwed it up.


jdmller1983

It's astonishing how nobody can admit this.


oldendayz99

Fascinating these old phots. I read today that the Texas GOP introduced legislation to make Texas a “sovereign nation”. I guess the ignorant can’t wait to do this again?


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private_ruffles

[Texas cannot secede at will.](https://www.texastribune.org/2021/01/29/texas-secession/) No state can.


supersoldier199

As a Tennesseean, if Texas wants to secede they should be able to. David Crockett didn't die for Texan Independence just for them to get stuck in another country 30 years later.


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miles2912

This idiots Post history is this comment in all kinds of forms. Sounds like a train wreck right wing bot gone mad


moreflywheels

They’re trying to learn for free!


Mephalae

Interesting that they have brownish clothes, I naively thought they had actually a full blue outfit


supersoldier199

Most regiments do. These are Confederate artillery.


Mephalae

Title says "Union soldiers" ?


supersoldier199

Title is wrong.


Skydog-forever-3512

One of my great, great, grandfathers, serving in 88th Pennsylvania, died of wounds sustained at Sharpsburg. You always hear that the Civil War was brother against brother. It was more like cousin against cousin. My German, Irish, Scots Irish relatives from central Pennsylvania fought against my German, Irish, Scots Irish relatives from the Shenandoah Valley.


SirBraaapAlot

Side question. Were most of the bodies in the civil war picked up afterwards? If hundreds or thousands died in a battle were they all really carted off? Or were some left to the birds and other scavengers?


SirBraaapAlot

Side question. Were most of the bodies in the civil war picked up afterwards? If hundreds or thousands died in a battle were they all really carted off? Or were some left to the birds and other scavengers?


Okay_Time_For_Plan_B

This is so crazy to imagine cause where I’m from a lot of it is still country like this so it looks as if it was taken yesterday. Insane .


MagicStar77

Some notable quotes-The war will be over by Christmas. War can’t last forever, someone will win


[deleted]

If you haven't already please watch Ken Burns' documentary on the civil war


ArizonaIceSunTea

Poor guys, killed by those damn traitors


VaccineCookies

Ain't gonna go to arms in Dixie no more. ​ But seriously, May God bless the fallen.


digitalpunkd

They must have had nice boots because all their boots were taken! Nice shoes were had to come by back then, even in the armed forces. So if you find a nice pair after a battle, then you got lucky twice that day! Once to survive the battle, another to find good shoes!


Sugarboy3157

Wish there was more


bipin4u7

6,00,000 people died in the american civil war. Becomes the bloodiest battle in history. Over 10,00,000 people died with the alleged war over terror by US. That became collateral damage. LIFES OF ONLY THE AMERICANS MATTER TO THE WEST.


azahel452

Anything can look bad if you pull numbers from your ass


hammerripple

Pull ass numbers… then jam random comas in it wherever the F you want lol all Willy nilly


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SixBeanCelebes

I don't think dead bodies belong in a SFW sub


AbortEveryone666

Does this violate your safe space? Its tagged NSFW, and you are on a military sub. Give your balls a tug.


SixBeanCelebes

This isn't about me, dumbarse. I work from home, so I can watch PronHub if I want to. But the sub is part of the "SFWPorn Network".


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