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Back-Alley-Sally

Who are these people? I see more people mentioning these hypothetical superfans than I see actual cases of it. Stop making up people to get mad at lol


mrandMaMaD7

well you could look at the comment section of the youtubers that are defending for example fallout 3 i personally don't like the game but i don't like to shit on it and say that fallout 3 is the worst game in the franchise and there is no way of defending it.


Back-Alley-Sally

If you're looking to YouTube for intellectual discussion, this is your first mistake. Reddit isn't much better but YouTube is an absolute shit-kitchen. Also if people do think FO3 is the worst in the series, so what? I think FO4 is much worse but I know a lot of people love it. But if people don't like these games, I really don't care if they express that.


StinkingDylan

Upvote for use of the term “shit-kitchen”.


mrandMaMaD7

i put youtube comment section in for an evidence because you said "I see more people mentioning these hypothetical superfans than I see actual cases of it." so youtube comment section was just an evidence for what i was trying to say and i never talked about youtube comment section is intellectual for discussions. and i don't really care about expression but i care about how they would express there view that may change in the other persons that are in thinking of playing those games.


Back-Alley-Sally

But why do you care what some trolls on YouTube think about some video games? It's a bunch of 12 year old engaging in flame wars. Why does them not liking Fallout 3 matter at all to you?


mrandMaMaD7

as i said i don't really give it that much care i just don't like it when some people come and change the views of a person about a something that they might enjoy and. and also thanks for your time.


Back-Alley-Sally

I mean, if someone is enlightened to another point of view and changes their opinion, whats wrong with that? I'd say trying to prevent that kind of discussion is more worrying than anything else. Also if you "didn't care very much" why did you make an entire post about them?


mrandMaMaD7

i think you didn't look at what i said if you look at it i said "i don't really give it that much care" i didn't said i don't give a shit to that topic but because i cared for that topic even little i made a post for it , it dose not mean that you don't give that much of a care to something means you are not gonna talk about it so please read what i said then comment. so what about other kids or people that are not enlightened ? what about them that just trying to find something to enjoy something new. and those people that are not as enlightened as others are more then others that are enlightened in this case.


Back-Alley-Sally

I have no idea what you're talking about. I don't have the phrase "i don't really give it that much care" in my country, and I have no clue what you're talking about regarding enlightenment. All I said was sharing opinions on a game isn't a bad thing, you seem to disagree.


mrandMaMaD7

that means you give a care but not so much to look for it too much and make 3 posts about it. now you are just straight up lying i said sharing an opinion on a game is okay but if you share it in a way that the other players that might play a game that you don't like and they may enjoy it , so that you make them not to play it because you don't like that game , is wrong, you started the topic on enlightened players Please read your Own Comment then post your comment. you said "I mean, if someone is enlightened to another point of view and changes their opinion, what's wrong with that?" and then i said "so what about other kids or people that are not enlightened ? what about them that just trying to find something to enjoy something new. and those people that are not as enlightened as others are more then others that are enlightened in this case." so plz read the comments and then post your comment if you would please. (from what i understand , is this discussion is going no where because i don't think you are reading my comments or at least understanding it)


Potate-Hoe

I think it's less New Vegas Stans, and more fans of each installment refusing to budge over things about their favorite that are dumb/less than ideal. New Vegas fans won't accept the games a bit too silly,3 fans will hate on you for thinking Megatons dumb, and fans of 4 will call you the problem because the game doesn't tell its story very clearly. New Vegas just has a larger portion of vocal fans because its where the memes come from, therefore they're the loudest and most noticed of the issue. If I had to pick a favorite, mines NV because play it the most, but story wise I like 2. Where 3s the game that I usually introduce friends to the series with, its also my least favorite. The real problem, is people who care about wether or not you have the exact same opinion as them.


mrandMaMaD7

yeah as i said new vegas is a great game but as you said there are more new vegas stans then other games in the franchise , i'm just saying they should be more accepting on other fans of the franchise views.


Potate-Hoe

Why? Like why care what anyone thinks about what you do and don't enjoy? So much if the sub is people projecting and crying over such arbitrary crap. I'll never stop playing 4 because its shit on, just like I'll never boot up 76 because I don't personally care for mmo style games. Its literally that easy.


mrandMaMaD7

yeah that is true why do you care of some one liking a some one else and you don't like that guy , you can talk and say your views but not in a way that is just like "that guy is bad and is worthless and is an evil dude" that's just rude and you are just saying it because you don 't like him and that is what i am arguing. ( i reposted the other comment so i deleted it)


Potate-Hoe

I cant understand what you're trying to say here. I'll just state this, we're talking about video games that are in the same series. The issue isn't anyones opinion, it's their attitudes, and part of that is what you yourself invest in what these people think of you/your opinion. It boils down to this: do they effect your enjoyment of the game? If the answers no, then ignore them and move on. Vidya is arbitrary, a hobby, and getting super invested in it to the point where online trolls and freaks upset you isn't healthy, or worth your time.


mrandMaMaD7

you understand some part of what i was trying to say but at least you got it have nice day.


Potate-Hoe

I assume you were trying to compare it to someones opinion on another person, which in reality isn't the case at all because a person snd a game are two drastically different things. I wasn't trying to insult you or anything I just couldn't 100% understand what you were trying to state.


Back-Alley-Sally

Some people have invested so much of themselves in popular culture they see defending a movie/video game the same as defending a human being. It's a really frightening social trend.


Potate-Hoe

Yeah, consumerism is killing what makes us human.


mrandMaMaD7

don't tell me that you are comparing me to those kinds of people , i just talked about some of the new vegas fans.


Back-Alley-Sally

You're kind of doing it though. You're equating people's opinions on pop culture to what they think of you as a person.


mrandMaMaD7

okay let me explain it to you , i don't really give that much of a care to some one or a group of people beliefs but when those kinds of people try and talk about (for example ) a game and say "that game sucks and they ruined it and the franchise with that game and that's a fact so don't play it." that's what i don't like , because how would you know that the person that you are saying this stuff to him he will not enjoy that game in that franchise ? for there may be a chance that person would enjoy that game ,that is what i am talking about. ( i hope you understood what i said.)


Potate-Hoe

And what I'm saying is, if you don't invest any thought into those statements outside of that's their opinion, whatever, then does it matter? The answer should be no. Who cares if someone *says something you don't agree with* it in no ways effects your ability to play or enjoy the game. The same goes for people who ask asinine questions like which game should I play first. It doesn't matter, play the one that interests you the most, don't ask strangers online.


mrandMaMaD7

look at what i said again please ,because i think you misunderstood what i said , because you can see that those people effected those other persons enjoyment of a game , they may not have searched for which game it's good to play in that franchise but they been told to even tho they did not searched for it.


theinsalubriousgamer

I've had a friend call it "God tier" but I just like to think it as great game and yeh, a masterpiece of sorts. I don't what "stans" mean, must be some karen-like terminology I'm not familiar with. Gotta up my edginess.


notacockgobbler

Have u never listened to Stan?


mrandMaMaD7

it's an overzealous or obsessive fan of a thing.


mstachiffe

You uhh... wouldnt be a fallout 4 "stan" then would you?


mrandMaMaD7

well liking a game dose not make you an stan but if you like that game just too much (overzealous or obsessive) well make you a stan in that case (and also if you attack other persons with views that you don't like) . i like the game but i am not saying that game is perfect but actually has so much bad things and glitches , but as i said new vegas is a great game and i like it but i don't like new vegas stans because those people effect the enjoyment of others.


mstachiffe

You wouldnt be just throwing the term at anyone who likes NV, doesnt like 4, and voices their opinion about it now would you?


mrandMaMaD7

nope i wouldn't because i also like new vegas but i don't like it in a way that i attack other persons who don't like the that i like game or they liking fallout brotherhood of steel.


mstachiffe

Saying why you dont like something that someone else likes isnt attacking them.


DaniTransatlantic

I remember the launch of New Vegas being greeted with cheers by old fans of the franchise who hated Fallout 3's departure from the American southwest and the extensive tunnels beneath the Capitol Wasteland, but I don't know how large a part of the phenomenon you've mentioned they still are.


mrandMaMaD7

i didn't said they are a lot i just said a decent portion of new vegas fans are stans but is not a very big portion of them.


That_Chris_Dude

Sounds like trolls. Lots of fans are 4 and 76 haters but most love 3 and New Vegas. But New Vegas is definitely the Morrowind of the franchise. Which means it gets an extreme amount of love. But it’s deserved love. I personally like 1-76 myself for what each brought to the world of gaming.


BrianTheUserName

No, I'm Brian


Outcast90

Yeah it does kinda seem like they can be extreme. Anything against their views and some NOT ALL BUT SOME will go on a crusade against you.


Mmaann4155

Dumb


ShahAbbas1571

> **is this true that a decent portion of new vegas fans are stans?** This is merely an anecdotal account, but from my experience, they tend to gush over the game to the extent of praising features that don't even exist. They'll ramble over how the choices you make will affect the world, even though the impact you'll face is an ending slide if you're lucky. This also extends to how they praise the writing. This was like six years ago, and I don't remember the exact title of the post, but I remember someone praising Mr. House for being a "better-written version of Andrew Ryan". > **so how do you guys think about these kinds of new vegas fans ?** Admittedly, they're more insufferable than Morrowind fans. From my experience, the latter is at least self-aware of the game's flaws and they don't handwave it either. I don't think you can't criticize FNV without them scapegoating Bethesda or yammering how Obisidian needs more time, even though they wasted that time on making a worthless sewer level.


mrandMaMaD7

now you understood and also thanks for your time :)


mrluster

Stan as in stalker fan? The thought of new Vegas developers being stalked by fallout fans made me giggle so much an ever so slight bit of urine came out my ween


Cybershock_

It was good at the time but shit it's outdated asf compared to 4 or 76 I can't go back to the graphics especially since playing 76 on series X not to mention the game pauses everyday u press vats for a shot or kill