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kookerpie

What did he say?


VANTABlack2000

If I remember correctly he was talking about someone acting like a top or bottom.


kookerpie

I see. To me, it doesn't sound like a big deal


Ashewastaken

It’s not but those people are just waiting for a chance to get angry at someone.


vonpoopenshtein

H3 fans are disgustingly cancel hungry. Like they salivate at the opportunity to jerk themselves off for social justice. And I say that as an H3 fan and a progressive


pruttphilip

He chose to have those fans. Hating on others is what he does


Marsuello

I miss the days of true goofs and gaffs on H3. Everything he does now is drama drama drama. He used to actively shit on drama YouTubers and those looking for trouble, but now he’s become exactly the same


Bumfuddlediddled

[This](https://youtu.be/1ufw9tDaJ-w) made me subscribe to H3, the good old days were just random shit that was hilarious.


dmanb

I think he’s in a depressive state but his success is disguising it.


jaredbar5446

I was a long time H3 fan until he somehow got his fat ass on a high horse. Started making YouTube money and he became a bitch, I see him as equal to keemstar.


PMMEYOURHIGHHEELS

Someone’s gotta keep Hila in Prada loafers right? Remember when he begged for money to fight a lawsuit?


andywarhaul

As an H3 fan I keep hearing this narrative and it just doesn’t ring true. Ethan has a penchant for pissing off a lot of people. I think with just keemstar and Trisha paytas Stans alone that is enough to be worried about. It is far more likely that it is these groups behind his “cancellings” than actual fans.


dmanb

Homie. No. I was a fan of this dude for forever. He’s changed. Not for the better.


andywarhaul

In what ways did he change that you don’t like


Tombombadillo13

I mean it was probably likely that the enemies of ethans fans did it cause he has a lot.


420BigDawg_

It's the same if someone asked a girl or guy their positions in bed. Then started making fun of them. In front of millions of people. Yes it is a valid reason to be angry at someone. You don't talk about what you think people will do in the bedroom just based on what they sound and look like. It is incredibly embarrassing and WAY over the line.


Ashewastaken

Can you tell me what exactly he said? I only saw what was said above.


RamsLams

Very convenient that you’re forgetting the part when talking to a fan telling them how uncomfortable and why some people don’t love what he was doing, he repeatedly pushed into his sexual life and asked him sexual questions. Which is what people are upset about.


Ashewastaken

Im not forgetting anything and I don’t appreciate your accusative tone. I only said what I said on the information above. I don’t follow Jordan Peterson and everything he says. Twisting what I said just to get a “gotcha” moment makes you no different than those people who cancel everyone and everything.


twomanyfaces10

>I don’t appreciate your accusative tone Lmao, well okay then. Thanks for sharing


RamsLams

You did forget- I already wrote what you forgot, but good try! I literally have no idea who Jordan Peterson is- good thing we aren’t talking about him? What a weird comment.


kookerpie

True


KryptikMitch

Jordan Peterson is stupid as fuck anyway. If anyone takes his Ayn Rand level philosophy seriously you're as brain damaged as he is from Coma Therapy.


RamsLams

Yeah, it doesn’t sound horrible bcus they just ‘forgot’ the part where Ethan pushed into a fans sexual life on air multiple times after they very respectfully asked him to stop. People do love being offended- but the person trying to be offended here are Ethan fans lmao, what Ethan didn’t wouldn’t fly for anyone.


TheWaywardTrout

It shouldn't be. But it absolutely makes sense that it is to the kind of person who listens to Peterson.


kookerpie

The people canceling him are his own fans though


dmanb

It’s not at all lol. That’s the entire point. Ethan was wooing a woke leftists sensitive crowd and this is what they do. Understand?


The_Follower1

So he started talking joking about tops and bottoms, iirc in regards to a specific person (can’t remember who) but the backlash came after a presumably gay caller came on and talked about how he was uncomfortable with those jokes because they’re used to emasculate and demean gay people. Ethan then brushed him off and basically called him a bottom.


vuevue123

What if you're a power bottom? They generate a lot of power by doing most of the work. Speed has everything to do with it. Speed's the name of the game.


PM_ME_GIRLS_TITS

We went from a Twink to a twunk to a twank.


losethefuckingtail

I thought a power bottom was a bottom that was capable of receiving a tremendous amount of power


kingdragon671

Incredibly based


Pancreasaurus

One cannot be based when they court the cringe.


BalkeElvinstien

I don't think this is specifically what people are talking about now but I remember him criticizing Kpop because they were all "a bunch of twinks"


Jesus_Shaves_

What happened with H3?


Fr33z3n

A Famous YouTuber who does makeup (I forget his name, something Charles) was showing something on his Amazon and in his recent purchases you can see diapers . So on his podcast Ethan is saying that the guy is a bottom and started making fun of him.


Smash_Nerd

James Charles?


Esnardoo

Honestly just fuck off with that, let people enjoy their kinks in piece. Or, what if they're for, yknow, an actual child he has? Or an old person in his family that needs them?


geijinro1

Pretty sure Charles was outed as a pedophile, and it's always morally right to make fun of them.


Esnardoo

If you're not even completely sure, then no it's really not.


mewfahsah

He admitted to flirting via text with people that were under 18, however he does allege he thought they were of legal age. Ethan seems to believe it's much worse than that, and based on some of Charles' past behavior and comments it wouldn't exactly be very surprising.


BannyDodger

I am completely sure.


geijinro1

**Making fun of pedophiles is always morally correct.** Aside from that obvious statement, if you're not invested enough to look up whether or not I'm right, and naïve enough to just believe a random reddit comment calling someone a pedophile without doing any research yourself, then this conversation can't go anywhere.


IAmWaaa

Who said anything about kinks? Also you obviously don't know who James Charles is if you think a confirmed pedophile has kids or cares about anyone that isn't himself


Esnardoo

I genuinely have no idea who James Charles is, I think I remember him being in a Twitter thread with Logan Paul, but only because someone said they didn't have a last name between them. Also by confirmed, do you mean convicted, or do you mean "I saw a video where he was staring at a kid so he must be"?


IAmWaaa

I've never watched him myself and I've never watched any similar beauty channels but he is a pretty well known figure. Your point about him having a kid doesn't really make sense since he's very openly gay, doesn't have a partner and is only in his early twenties. Young parents do happen but he would have to specifically chose to have kids that early on. He's also pretty well known for being very self absorbed and self entitled. I mean confirmed as in James Charles himself admitted to messaging flirty/provocative young teen boys after all the grooming allegations about him from those boys came out. All the boys had their ages in their bios as well. He released an entire "apology" video about it. I don't think even a conviction can prove it more than the person themselves admitting to it. His terrible apology video is called "holding myself accountable" if you want to see the proof.


PrestigiousPainter-

You’re part of the cancel culture boooo. Start not caring so much like the rest of us.


PM-ME-RABBIT-HOLES

who the hell is "us" lol, your asshole buddies you surround yourself with?


Emergency-Toe2313

Assuming by “Us” he means people who don’t really care about celebrities’ personal lives or their bad jokes or whether or not they’re “cancelled” then “us” would be most people on the internet and everyone who’s not. Genuinely, join us. It’s great


ModeratorBoterator

"Let people enjoy their kinks" I've never understood this, why? Some kinks are disgusting, weird, or embarrassing. You like scat? You literally eat shit and that's weird as hell. I don't wanna be around people that eat shit. I don't feel like making fun of people that eat shit is wrong. Some things are weird and don't need to be normalized.


vonpoopenshtein

As much as I find Jordan Peterson insufferable, he was actually right in this case


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Something about a broken clock being right twice a day


Beexor3

It's a shame he became a grifter. Idk if anyone remembers when he first popped up and everyone loved him lol. I don't like him for his grifting, but I'll give him credit, when it comes to psychology, he's generally correct in his statements. Go figure considering that's what he is a pro in. When he's just talking about his life and other stuff, I think he can have interesting things to say. It's with politics that he goes full moron.


Esnardoo

What's a grifter?


Koquillon

A conman, a scammer, a professional liar


Esnardoo

Thanks


ModeratorBoterator

95% of left and right commentators(professional and online)


SubjectDelta10

he was an asshole from the second he popped up. he got famous for lying about bill c16, that lie was literally the basis for his success today.


sufficiently_tortuga

Yeah, dude got famous for being extra about refering to trans students by their birth gender. He's always been a dick, he leaned into it when he discovered he could make money off it Now he's an addict rambling to lost boys about washing their penises.


Thehibernator

He was never anything but a grifter. He doesn't offer anything any other self-help book doesn't have, and his weird obsession with the superiority of 'western christian thought' and bizarre admiration for backward-thinking fascist sympathizers doesn't help me enjoy any content from him I otherwise would have.


BigOofYikesSweaty

>His weird obsession with the superiority of 'western christian thought' and bizarre admiration for backward-thinking fascist sympathizers Wow this guy sounds really bad 😤 Surely you have plenty of examples of these claims and it's not totally made up 👍.


GenericGaming

>Idk if anyone remembers when he first popped up and everyone loved him lol. I'd recommend the Behind the Bastards podcast on Peterson. gives you a lot of context and history behind the guy and it ain't too fantastic. in the eyes of the psychology world, his work is surface level and nothing spectacular.


oooliveoil

I agree. I didn’t always agree with everything he said, but I respected his opinions and where he came from because he seemed like an intelligent man. Now he is a con artist and it’s a damn shame. He surrounds himself by people as dumb as him and he keeps gettint worse


dmanb

“Full moron”. From some random on Reddit . Ya. Ok lol


sixtus_clegane119

Jordan Peterson is more of a 24 hour clock


Esnardoo

24 hour cock*


GerardDG

You mean a digital clock?


Thatretroaussie

No a clock that's 24 hours instead of 12.


vonpoopenshtein

Haha love that, exactly


-Dillad-

Aren’t you a mod or something for the alt-J subreddit?


StressedtoImpress1

If he had stayed in his field of expertise as a psychologist, a lot more people would respect him. I lost respect when he started going into global warming, etc. Stay in your lane bro, let the experts deal with such topical complex issues His books do help people, especially young men. They help me.


noogai131

I think I can agree with this. I really liked when he talked with Cathy Newman and was really direct and personable with his arguments, or when he actually talked about psychology and philosophy. Anything outside that, especially his god damned awful rug making, should have just been kept to himself. I know what I'm good at, and I stick to doing that with people in public and for work related reasons. Anything I'm not amazing at I don't try to spin into a career.


StressedtoImpress1

The fact is, he's an intelligent guy, and a lot of his points have merit to them. But he quickly became a person for people more inclined to the right wing to 'latch' onto because of his views on C16, and I think he's capitalised on that by just regurgitating talking points used by Dave Rubin, Ben Shapiro, Milo Yiannopolous, etc. It's a horribly divisive world we live in now, and I'm sad that someone who could genuinely help people with his psychological expertise has fallen into the shtick of YouTube videos 'DESTROYING THE LIBS WITH LOGIC'


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RubberTowelThud

For sure, I always have to scoff whenever I see a redditor talk about how he isn't intelligent or that he's 'a dumb guy's idea of what a smart guy is'. He's clearly intelligent and very well read on a lot of subjects, more so than I imagine almost all of us who spend our days fucking around on Reddit are, but that doesn't mean he's well read on *every* subject like he seems to think. He's unquestionably a smart guy, but going off his twitter which I've now followed he also seems fucking deranged. Idk if it was his illness that radically changed him or if I just wasn't paying close enough attention but he no longer seems to be anything like how he used to be. I used to think he was quite cautious and put a lot of care and thought into how he framed his opinions and was open to changing them if someone actually delivered a decent argument, but the last few years he seems to just say whatever bullshit pops into his head and get really angry at anyone who disagrees. Nowadays he even seems to share stuff based on clickbait headlines rather than waiting to find out the actual story.


Missy_Elliott_Smith

Can't imagine the coma he was put in for several months to kick benzo addiction helped his cognitive functions any.


0101111000101010

Given he believes in a lot evolutionary psychology bullshit I doubt a lot of people would respect him if he didn't rant and ramble out of his lane. He'd just be an unknown cooky professor, but at least a lot of people wouldn't disrespect him because he'd be too obscure.


armchairdetective

Yeah. Peterson can get wrecked.


the_curious_square

Jordan Peterson is not insufferable. Most of the time when he says something he ends up being correct. He’s not like Ben Shapiro or some shit. He’s actually a professor, you should listen to some of his lectures.


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the_curious_square

Ben Shapiro’s a muppet


thebenshapirobot

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GenericGaming

is that true? would like to see how he was correct about literally anything about C16 lmao.


Dan3828

I would barely consider Ethan Cancelled, a few people got mad


KillerAceUSAF

He has lost all sponsors, and is hemorrhaging subscribers.


dyondo

hemmorrhaging? really? according to socialblade he lost like 20k in the last 30 days and already got it back lol


KillerAceUSAF

What I saw showed over 10k in the last day.


dyondo

ah fair enough. maybe social blade didnt update when I looked


Dan3828

You’re really hyping it up dude, don’t be such a drama queen/king


Snotmyrealname

Didn’t he die? I distinctly remember him dying in 2018/19


HilleryisaLair

He didn’t die, he was just really close. It was because he was addicted to benzodiazepines and got akathisia when he tried to stop using them. Had to go to Moscow for a rapid detox, which wasn’t even a guarantee that he would survive [Here is him explaining the situation](https://youtu.be/3ktjZhih3LQ)


sixtus_clegane119

Lmao... he didn’t “Have” to go to russia, he was impatient and ran to russia with the help of his daughter. While he was there they put him a medically induced coma and took him cold turkey off benzos, he had a seizure during the coma and he lost the ability to talk and walk. Nobody *needs* to go to russia to ultra fast detox, akathisia fucking sucks but it happens, you taper slower and deal with it. Ultra fast detox is something they don’t do over here because of how dangerous and dumb it is. He then went to some holistic place in Croatia where his daughter blared on social media about how nice it is since it has mo covid restrictions. There Jordan Peterson caught covid. He was lucky to survive that considering his weakened state. Ever since he has got back he has been emotionally unstable on twitter He appeared on Rogan and said “we have only known benzos are addictive for 20 years” when infact there are studies about its addictiveness from 1979. He worked with clinically with alcoholics and had every chance to know the effects and know what *the Ashton manual* says about tapering. When recently asked why antifa were so evil he replied “revenge against god for the crime of being” and broke down crying. The man needs help, not a huge platform where he influences vulnerable men. Edit: Benzo withdrawal is fucking awful, and my clonazepam taper after 7 years of a full dose took 2 years. I am nearly at 1 year off and still improving after the worst of it. But even if I had the means, without any sort of professional experience into mental health or psychology, wouldn’t have tried to ultra fast detox.


Plastic_Committee770

I mean if I were dying then I would probably go to Russia if I had the money. I mean if I'm gonna die might aswell try


sixtus_clegane119

He wasn’t dying. You can only die off benzo withdrawal if you go cold turkey. The Ashton method uses feathering and if that doesn’t work you can go even slower than indicated.


1d__d1

Wow man you know more about Jordan Peterson than Jordan Peterson does. Must be all the reddit.


Neoeng

Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made A Great Point


AsimovtheCat

[Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made A Great Point](https://clickhole.com/heartbreaking-the-worst-person-you-know-just-made-a-gr-1825121606/)


SoundByMe

Ethan has been "cancelled" a million times. Nobody cares lmao. He's a dumbass who makes youtube videos not a politician.


Master_Xeno

ok lobsterboy


mmuffinfluff

Jordan Peterson is a moron


siegmeyer13

And a right wing grifter in the guise of a centrist


Dan4024

Would you agree he was right, at least in this one instance?


Beexor3

Sure, but my problem with this specific instance is that he's talking about, "cancel culture," in the way that right-wing grifters do: Like it's reflective of the left as a whole and that it's some insane lynch mob coming for us all. In reality, this cancelling is coming from the same group that it's always come from, twitter addicted leftists' dumbass teenagers/broken adults, who represent less than 2% of the overall population. And Ethan Klein's career will not be harmed by it. Anyway, I don't like him for his grifting, but I'll give him credit. When it comes to psychology, he's generally correct in his statements. Go figure considering that's what he is a pro in. When he's just talking about his life and other stuff, I think he can have interesting things to say. It's with politics that he goes full moron.


SimilarSurround715

He’s right a lot, but the way he communicates his info can be dangerous. But yeah no he’s right. Wasn’t Ethan canceled like 2 seconds ago for something completely random? Apparently ppl started calling and emailing his sponsors. There’s no way of telling if it was his fans or a different community. I doubt a real fan would do that tho so idk


kamehamehamburger

From what I remember from back when I watched H3H3, Ethan was getting into shit for something dumb he said every other week - it’s like, his signature move. Tbh this tweet doesn’t read as Peterson actually predicting anything, he’s just spitefully rambling like he always does.


Dan4024

I don't understand how you interpret this as spiteful


gordonv

His book "12 Rules for Life" was OK. It's far from the best self book I've read. From this, Peterson suffered from the same thing Elizabeth Gilbert did. They believed they were some kind of infallible moral and literary authority. They started becoming weirder and more cult like. People were following them. People change. Both Gilbert and Peterson are not the people they were when they wrote their books. (Gilbert's book was Eat Pray Love) They're both socially fueled narcissist's. Peterson bending to the selfish and obscure wants of his crowd. Gilbert appealing to selfish emotional people.


deadx1113

Hey, a side question. Which self book you consider to be good for beginner?


gordonv

In my late 20's I had a workplace mentor give me these books in this order: - Eat Pray Love - The Richest Man in Babylon - The Profit - Think and Grow Rich - How to Win Friends and Influence People - The Art of War (Just excerpts. The full Art of War is very long) - Striking Thoughts by Bruce Lee - How to Read a Book My Add Ons: - Shit my Dad Says - The Last Lecture - Geek Wisdom - Good Advice from Bad People - The Missing Piece by Silverstein - Ready Player One (For anyone who grew up playing video games) - David and Goliath by Malcolm Gladwell


deadx1113

Pretty extensive list, thanks!


Maia-Odair

The last lecture is amazing


gordonv

I learned a lot. Like, I didn't know people knew they were going to make Star Wars 1, 2, and 3. I honestly thought it was over in the 1980's.


poisonstumac

Not on this issue


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poisonstumac

How is he wrong on this issue?


roccondilrinon

On the surface, he’s not, because he’s saying if you start holding people accountable then you shouldn’t complain when you yourself are held accountable. But what he means is evidently “therefore, holding people accountable is a bad thing”, by way of a slippery-slope argument that if you start applying any sort of standards, somehow ever higher and eventually impossible standards will apply.


mmuffinfluff

He’s a 60 year old geezer. What is Ethan Klein going to regret? Even Bill Cosby was planning a ‘comeback tour’ last summer. I fail to understand how he gets so mad about a concept that doesn’t exist, even for rapists. You’d think such an ‘educated’ man would be stable enough to not get all fired up by a youtuber


poisonstumac

I don’t know anything about Jordan Peterson, all I’m saying is the guy isn’t wrong on this topic. That’s all.


Who-Just-Shit-Myself

I don’t follow what’s happening someone explain who these two are


KillerAceUSAF

Ethan Klein is the creator of h3h3. It started as an edgy comedy/humor channel. Then he pivoted to podcasting. He drank the far left kool-aid a few years ago, and has been deleting his old videos and interviews. Dr. Jordan B Peterson is a well respected Pyschologist from Canada that rose to prominence after speaking out against a Canadian bill that would require compelled speech.


Who-Just-Shit-Myself

So what’s happening with these two?


Piaapo

I will forever love one of the comments in his stream: "Do y'all think it's hard for a straight person to understand how it feels to always have people define you by how you prefer sex?"


bh87f

Ah, I see we have some cancel culture lunatics here


Geodude333

I mean this is applicable to anybody in the cancel mob. Inevitably somebody misgenders someone or uses a old turn of phrase without knowing the full history and if the mob is hungry enough they’ll seize on it. Like I actually used to like Peterson but this stuff is nothing like the quality religious philosophy and history content he used to output.


Mr_d0tSy

I haven't trusted a word Peterson says after I saw a video where he said (paraphrased) "if the nazis were smart they would have worked the jews instead of just killing them", which is... they did?


gordonv

He's not writing for people who know actual history. He knows how to push emotional buttons.


Geodude333

Yeah I’ve seen that clip. I think what he was trying to get at was that the ramping up of extermination towards the end wasn’t smart. It probably hurt their chances, but something about their philosophy made them unable to see when it was over or even acknowledge the tides had turned. He may not have done a good job, but he’s hardly the first person to point out how fascism and nazism are basically suicide cults because they build ever-narrowing power structures while making tons of enemies. They’re not logical structures, and it is interesting to see what drives such irrational behavior on such a large scale. Such blind hatred even in the face of overwhelming odds. I don’t reasonably think anybody would outright deny them working the Jews, especially given how much Peterson raves about the gulags and how bad they were.


b0bscene

I think Peterson got hooked on his popularity and became a megalomaniac. It must give people a God-complex when millions of people are praising you. I like his psychology stuff but eventually he just came across as a monster to me. I used to find his crying when he spoke of something that was close to his heart endearing but I watched a video where his crying seemed to be part of the script and that's when I stopped listening to him.


kinbladez

I'd argue it's not inevitable that "eventually you're going to do something to get yourself cancelled", if this dude wasn't making fun of someone for his sexuality he wouldn't be cancelled, that's certainly not inevitable unless you're a dick


Geodude333

Eh. I think I’m gonna stand by the “live long enough as a hero and you’ll see yourself become the villain” in this case. Sooner or later you’ll get mad and lose your temper at some airline or restaurant worker and that’ll be enough for some members of the mob. The real question is if it’s permanent. I remember I genuinely believing Logan Paul was done after pretended to be color blind. And the suicide forest. And the lying about his family’s business. And the firearms at his house. And the scam finance courses. But each time her persisted.


kinbladez

The secret is to be such a gigantic douche that you genuinely do not care what anyone thinks of you. There's always an audience for shitheads like Logan Paul, and if you display an almost miraculous ability to repeatedly act like a complete shithead and just sort of shrug off/weakly apologize your way past the initial outrage, you'll find there's always a platform willing to make a buck on a controversial figure.


airyys

holy fuck *losing sponsor for saying shitty things doesn't mean you're fucking* "canceled" that's just fucking repercussions. literally just companies deciding whether or not to financially support a person. no one was forced, it was independently decided. now can we please stop using alt right buzzwords? holy fuck what even is the definition for being "canceled"? there is none. it's purposefully vague so that alt righters can just tack it on and feed their persecution fetish.


eti_t

Imagine using the term ‘alt right’ unironically in 2022


tsar_David_V

Imagine being alt right unironically in 2022


eti_t

Who’s alt right ?


theazerione

I’m all right


tsar_David_V

Not you personally but "alt-right" people tragically still inhabit the internet


airyys

obviously, "[the kids are alt-right](https://youtu.be/hES9IBTPbcw)" duh


KryptikMitch

Jordan Peterson is a transphobic lunatic who thought Coma Therapy would fix his drug dependency and not give him brain damage.


420BigDawg_

Canceling doesn't exist.


GEIST_of_REDDIT

"I'm beeing cancelled!" cries millionaire in front of audience


Tonroz

Am I cancelling McDonald's when I decide not to eat there? It's so dumb how anytime the public gets mad at something , it's seen as immoral because its "cancelling".


CaeciliusEstInPussy

There are absolutely people who throw the word cancelling around at anything they want, those people are morons. I don’t think anyone with half a brain however would call it cancelling if you chose not to eat at McDonalds for any reason. Corporations aren’t a person and those who treat them like they are are either greedy or stupid. By most definitions actual real canceling is when individuals are ostracized.


RubberTowelThud

I don't think anyone objects to you 'not eating at McDonalds' if you don't want to, it's more about not wanting anyone else to have the option to eat at McDonalds either by trying to get the place shut down, in this case by pressuring companies to pull their sponsorship. People voting with their wallets is fine but in the social media age where companies shit themselves over getting a bad PR, you have a scenario where 1 outraged person gets heard more than 50 apathetic people.


Brekry18

Cancelling exists, just not for the vast majority of public figures or regular people that obey the status quo. If you're a public figure, there will almost always be somebody willing to defend you and put money behind you. Unless, of course, you have no PR team or do something so universally indefensible that not even your own PR team can defend you. edit: I'm referring specifically to the type of people that culture war-fueled media outlets like to cancel, like progressive school teachers, whose lives can and have been absolutely devastated by this kind of attention. The kind of situation where media can put a "think of the children" spin on it, the voices of the resulting mob will easily drown out those of supporters, and the victim has nothing to fall back on. Louis CK, Dobrik, Chapelle, etc, etc, have all lived to see the other side of being "cancelled" because they had money, PR, and/or supporters in both high and low places to fall back on. It exists, just not in the capacity that certain media outlets like to feign outrage to.


gordonv

Cancelling is what those being boycotted, ignored, and rejected for their behavior objectified it as. "Oh, I act badly and now I have to deal with social consequences. I'll call it cancel culture so I can attack the effort against me without addressing the issues."


darwinsbarnacle01

If it was merely about people taking voluntary personal actions such as boycotting, that would be fine. No one disagrees with taking that option. The problem is when a loud but vocal minority go about pressuring different people and groups into carrying out their wishes, and it’s only done because they don’t want to face the outrage mob themselves. I’ve seen it happen myself, where an event at my university was cancelled, despite the people who cancelled it not believing it should have been. They were just scared of the pressure on them, and didn’t want outcomes such as having false labels applied to them that could ruin their own careers This leaves a situation where a small group can police what the larger population say and do, and what they consider ‘bad’ is quite subjective.


gordonv

> where a small group can police what the larger population say and do Kind of like using electoral votes instead of the popular vote?


gordonv

> loud but vocal minority go about pressuring different people and groups into carrying out their wishes, and it’s only done because they don’t want to face the outrage mob themselves. My guy, the loud vocal minority IS the outraged mob. You see this, right?


binkysurprise

That’s what he’s saying


darwinsbarnacle01

Yeah, that’s what I was saying. Maybe I should have written it more clearly. The loud minority outrage mob pressures people and groups into taking actions such as firing people etc, which is only done because if they didn’t, the outrage mob would come after them next. So it’s done out of fear, not personal choice


gordonv

>- event at my university was cancelled - the people who cancelled it not believing it should have been - scared of the pressure on them - didn’t want outcomes such as having false labels applied to them that could ruin their own careers Sure sounds like being *"boycotted, ignored, and rejected for their behavior."* To fast forward this: We're saying the same thing. Objectifying it as "cancel culture" are people crying about accountability. Accountability is a bitch. It's not going away. It comes for everyone. Ignoring accountability with apathy doesn't work. "Blaming Cancel Culture" doesn't work. It doesn;t resolve the issues the mob is mad about.


darwinsbarnacle01

If people didn’t want to go they could have just not went. They don’t need to go after the university department itself and make threats


gordonv

That's bad people running bad events asking to be left alone rather than to be stopped. Why wouldn't said bad people just choose another venue?


darwinsbarnacle01

You don’t even know what the event was, yet you’re labelling it as bad. Again, who is to judge what is bad? And because it was a university event. Only a couple of idiots on twitter opposed it, but the university are very cautious with things Imagine a gay comedian was holding a show. Let’s say a few homophobes opposed this. Well if they don’t buy a ticket, who cares. They have a right to boycott even if they’re being idiots. But everyone else can enjoy the show. But let’s say instead they started making threats to all involved, targeting everyone from sponsors to the venue, until they cave. Not because they want to, but out of fear. I’d like to think you would disagree with that. I’d hope you wouldn’t just say it’s about accountability here. It’s a dangerous game to let a minority bully everyone else and dictate morality. Maybe it’s all well and good when they agree with you, but it may not always be like that


gordonv

>- gay comedian holding a show - homophobes opposed this - If they don’t buy a ticket, who cares. They have a right to boycott even if they’re being idiots. - everyone else can enjoy the show. --- > - they [homophobes] started making threats to all involved ... until they [the gay comedian's crew] cave. - Not because they [the gay comedian's crew] want to, but out of fear. - I’d like to think you would disagree with that. I’d hope you wouldn’t just say it’s about accountability here. First, when you're writing, stop using they. You used it for 2 groups. It read like you were saying the homophobes were afraid and they are threatening. Your argument is unclear. Second, there are rules, provisions, and there is due process to handle decisions like this. You're stating the university prematurely cancelled the gay comedian event in fear of retaliation. Ok, I believe that happened. This isn't the first time venues have cancelled events with loss of profit for safety. (Although Universities operate at a loss.) I'm not sure if you are aware, but universities are very opinionated and politically charged. More than a dive bar. I actually do expect a hyper sensitive caution from a university.


CaeciliusEstInPussy

I mean… it does… you can say unfair or unjust cancelling doesn’t exist or you can even call it something else entirely but when someone gets fired or the internet chases down their school or residency or goes after a person’s personal life for something they did as a kid or in the past as a younger adult that has only recently resurfaced that’s basically what cancelling is. And people don’t really tend to move on and be a better person if they’ve got that thing constantly chasing them. So as someone who’s seen it first hand regardless of politics, I respectfully disagree with the idea that it doesn’t exist. Maybe it’s a tree falls in a forest sort of thing or maybe it’s just semantics, I dunno. I’m not trying to be disrespectful or anything but it does happen. The internet can be absolutely viscous. And it’s a little bit cruel in my opinion to just dismiss that kind of behavior. There’s no net positive, everyone involves seems to just become worse.


darwinsbarnacle01

What would you call it if (say) an academic gets fired for having the wrong opinion, and can’t speak anywhere because the places that host him/her are afraid of a woke backlash. Or if an actor can’t get hired anymore for having the wrong opinion, and their existing content gets pulled? Or if a business has all sponsors pull out on them, and everything else taken from under the carpet (eg, whatever platform they’re using, the system they use for income etc)? There has been a number of examples of individuals and companies losing their livelihoods and everything connected to it. There is a vicious and vocal minority of people who will threaten every organisation and person associated with them until they get the desired response. I would say that’s being ‘cancelled’, because their ability to do whatever it is they do, has been removed


420BigDawg_

I would call it getting held accountable for your actions.


darwinsbarnacle01

You just seem to be repeating the same old thing other ‘progressives’ say without having an input of your own. Firstly, even if they deserved it, that doesn’t mean they aren’t being cancelled. Secondly, who is to say they did deserve it? A lot of people get outraged over nothing, and people in those cases only get cancelled because those that pull out on them (sponsors, employers etc) are afraid they might be turned on next, not because everyone in is in agreement it’s the right thing to do. It’s fairly vague to talk about being held accountable. The idea that you should lose everything for holding the wrong opinion is quite fascist. There absolutely is a vocal minority who seem hellbent on preventing people with opposing views from airing them. People should not have their lives ruined over a difference in opinion. There is an ongoing trend against freedom of speech and expression, and I doubt you would feel the same way if the tables were turned and it was opinions that you held that weren’t allowed to be freely aired


420BigDawg_

I didn’t say I was progressive. Also I don’t even believe in cancel culture nor do I usually agree with it. I’m not reading that paragraph. You care too much about this


darwinsbarnacle01

You didn’t have to. You don’t usually agree with cancel culture, but you also deny it even exists. Ok… I think everyone should care a great deal about free speech


420BigDawg_

I don’t agree with it because it can be used to bully someone who doesn’t deserve it, but in odd cases it can be used to hold someone accountable for something. I don’t think the latter is cancel culture. I feel like 95% of cases it’s not cancel culture. I live in Canada I have all the free speech I could ever want. That doesn’t give people the excuse to be racist or homophobic or give people in powerful influential positions to spout ignorant misinformation. That’s just dangerous. All in all I literally do not care. I think the whole cancel culture AND the free speech movement is so fucking dumb and distracts us from real important issues. And tears the general public even farther a part. Which is what the elites want.


liftoff_oversteer

Which is a lie and you know it.


420BigDawg_

If someone is canceled they are still a millionaire or billionaire in a palace and likely still have their social media accounts and an audience that supports them no matter what. It’s barely real if at all. The idea of canceling has always been around it just has a name now and kids like to run with it and throw the word everywhere making it seem bigger then it actually is. All in all I don’t think we should care so much about it as we do. Especially conservatives. You throw the word around and the entire political party melts. God forbid some rich person gets yelled at on the internet by 12 year olds


CaeciliusEstInPussy

A billionaire or millionaire getting exposed on Twitter is hardly cancelling someone, I mean if someone wants to call it that sure they might be right I don’t really care to argue about that, but people will deadass cancel other normal people for shit from their past by borderline doxxing them or finding their place of work or some shit and sending sketchy shit from their past to employers in an effort to disrupt their entire life. Normal people. This is shit that actually happens it’s not like internet mob culture only goes after those who deserve it or those who are wealthy enough that it doesn’t matter. And when it happens everyone fucking loses because that person grows bitter and any potential change is lost, and they’re not able to work anywhere because companies don’t want to deal with the mob.


bajabruhmoment

*nerd emoji*


jesuzombieapocalypse

I didn’t think he deserved to get canceled like that even though I’m not exactly the biggest fan these days, but Jesus Christ listening to the exchange that did him in makes me wonder if he has some kind of mental disorder lol dude almost straight up does the “why are you gay” meme for like 10 mins. With the sheer amount of drama Ethan’s covered I have no idea how he could steer the conversation there and not once have the thought that maybe that’s not the best idea in current year.


tzizzo

I can't stand Peterson nowadays... he's turned into an egregiously self-important right-wing mouthpiece, but he was SO scarily right about this.....to a tee. Reminds me of why I used to admire him and frustrates me that much more at what he's become. if you've actually followed him closely (which I can tell most in this thread haven't) he was really not always a grifter, he was primarily just a psychology professor/academic beloved by his students (male/female alike) and a public intellectual fascinated with the psychology of religious belief as a means to understanding larger philosophical questions about morality, divinity, and consciousness.... it had nothing to do with glorifying or upholding conservative western values. he was a genuinely curious and incredibly insightful thinker who mostly stayed out of politics until the whole drama with Bill C-16, which had more to do with his anti-authoritarian principles than transphobia. because he was maligned as a bigot and a transphobe, however, in the following years he spent most of his time in the media getting relentlessly interrogated and misrepresented by left-wing outlets such as VICE and BBC, which embittered him to the point of almost no return. once he began to associate himself with actual grifters like Dave Rubin and Ben Shapiro (likely because at the time, unfortunately, they and other mainstream right-wingers were the only ones willing to respectfully listen to him without having their minds already made up about who he was and what he represented...perhaps also because they saw an easy opportunity to exploit him and his intelligence since he now had reasons to antagonize the left...) he gradually adopted much of their methods of reasoning and politics, and ultimately became another one of them: just another curmudgeony, bitter, jaded old-fashioned right-wing ideologue hell-bent on nothing other than attacking/exposing the "radical left". it's a fucking shame. you guys here in the thread calling him a straight up moron though..... I can pretty much guarantee he's smarter than all of you (myself included) combined, so please... sit down, be humble.


ragingpotato98

Is anyone really surprised by that? Lol


soh_amore

H3H3 and idubbz good riddance


RubberTowelThud

Wait what’s happened with Idubbbz?


thedicknextdoor

His girlfriend released her OnlyFans and idubbz defended her, which resulted in his fans calling him a simp


RubberTowelThud

Oh right, I thought it was gonna be something recent and getting cancelled by the same crowd as h3h3 but that was more the opposite


tsar_David_V

Personally I'm more bothered by the racial slurs and the edgy "humor" he does


cman2266

Understandable, but I honestly recommend the last couple short documentaries he's made. Creaters changing with time and all.


Quad_Hop

fuck you idubbz is funny


halfbodyfred

Are you 12 in the year 2017?


Quad_Hop

What we do here is go back ᵇᵃᶜᵏ ᵇᵃᶜᵏ ᵇᵃᶜᵏ ᵇᵃᶜᵏ


poldi1405

Not a fan of Dr. Peterson but cancel culture is something that we should collectively move to the garbage bin of history.


insectbot

Still dont get why all the hate towards jordan peterson, he seems like an alright guy


KillerAceUSAF

Because he is a sensible guy that only tries to help people. If people are okay, and happy they don't get radicalized by either side, which means they don't get sucked into the alt-right or the far left.


GenericGaming

>Because he is a sensible guy that only tries to help people he rose to prominence when he was adopted by the alt right for attacking trans people in protest of C16. dunno about you but spreading lies against a minority group which does nothing but negatively harm them doesn't seem very helpful to me.


KillerAceUSAF

Lmao, the Alt Right hates him my dude.


OldBabyl

Cancel culture isn’t a thing. Being held accountable for your actions is nothing new. People deciding whether they would buy your product or not based on who’s selling it is nothing new. People reacting to harmful dumbfuckery is nothing new.


ilrasso

I think the deal about cancel culture is that it targets anyone. Ethan pushing it makes no difference in how likely he is to be its victim. The irony of it may sting in addition tho. Another example of Jordan P, making a point that sounds reasonable at first, but is ultimately wrong.


pokemonisok

Cry me a River 😭


AuntHottie

Unfortunately, this monster took Lindsey Ellis too.


andre2020

What is “H3” please? Thank you


Km-OvO

You either die a hero…