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Before we get lambasted with trolls for the dog kicking video, here is a news article covering it with bodycam footage.


specialskepticalface

"Before"? That ship is looooong sailed, amigo.


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🤷‍♂️ just trying to do my part


SWFL-Aviation

Excuse me sir: [but I reject your reality and substitute my own. ](https://youtu.be/j5NuTR-FXOE)


AlligatorFist

Awesome dungeon master!


MrCrumbz

The truth comes out! What would anyone else (the people destroying this officer online) have done in that situation I wonder?


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Probably the same thing. Or just leave. Or just call the police. Because no one is held to the same standard and no one wants to bear the responsibility.


AccidentalPursuit

I posted this in the original video and stickied it.


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I know. Skeptical already told me I'm late to the party like the douchebag I am


xXMc_NinjaXx

I worked an animal shelter, I had to choke slam a very aggressive Pit Mix to keep him from killing my coworker who had accidentally shifted his food bowl a centimeter while getting a leash around him. I get the “don’t hurt animals” crowd, but sometimes you gotta do what you have to when they get aggressive. Animals, especially untrained or territorial ones are dangerous and unpredictable.


amothep8282

>but sometimes you gotta do what you have to when they get aggressive I used to have a rescue Doberman that was literally batshit insane. He would hunt you when your back was turned. Full on splayed out laying flat in the grass inching toward your turned back. He was a pure and absolute predator. He bit me 3 times and he bit my wife and sent her to the ER for stitches. Long story short, he went over Rainbow Bridge via the Pentobarbitol and Potassium Chloride Express. I felt absolutely no guilt because the private dog trainer I worked with regularly trained malligators and he even said my dog was far beyond help. Now I have THE dumbest, most annoyingly affectionate German Shepherd/Pit bull mix that begs for attention literally 24/7. But when a stranger walks in the house anywhere towards the kids, and her hackles go straight up and all her teeth come out, I remember at the core of it all she can be a killing machine.


WalbrechtBayern

>But when a stranger walks in the house anywhere towards the kids, and her hackles go straight up and all her teeth come out, I remember at the core of it all she can be a killing machine. They're *domesticated wolves*.


jollygreenspartan

>Animals, especially untrained or territorial ones are dangerous and unpredictable. Facts. I had to shoot a pit bull a week ago. Thing attacked me while serving an arrest warrant and ate two .40 hollowpoint bullets at point blank range, one in the neck that it shrugged off and one in the shoulder which knocked it down (we captured the dog and took it to the vet, it's fine now). A trained K9 will fuck you up, an untrained dog will fuck you up worse.


xXMc_NinjaXx

The trained K9 will let you go eventually and won’t instinctively go for the kill. That untrained boy is going right for the neck every damn time. No one is going to be able to stop him and the owner sure as shit won’t have a command to get him off you even if they wanted to. And pitties, as great as they can be when properly trained and loved, are literal genetic monsters created to fight. Nothing about them is meant to be cuddly and cute, they have thick skin and a bite that can snap a man’s femur in half.


jollygreenspartan

>the owner sure as shit won’t have a command to get him off you The owner said as much after we arrested him. Initially he said he hadn't heard the barking and screaming and gunfire literally 15 feet from his window. Then said he was proud of his dog for defending the house (mind you, he left his pit alone in the basement with the door open on the coldest night of the year with no fence to contain it).


xXMc_NinjaXx

Shit, imagine that. I’m gonna guess y’all are in the north as well? Getting around that fat 0 line? A pit bull and it’s lack of fur really doesn’t do well in that kind of cold. Fits the definition of animal abuse in my state.


jollygreenspartan

South. It was 20 or 25 that night. But his owner has been arrested for assaulting literally all of his blood relatives, I'm sure he's a dick to the dog, too.


xXMc_NinjaXx

Well damn. I was hoping I was on a roll. Good on y’all for getting him though.


Droidball

We had a K9 that would frequently try to grab at the neck when doing bite training. Had. It's a miracle he never killed anyone. That dog was a fucking asshole.


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jollygreenspartan

I would if I had any say in the matter. All my carry guns are nines.


biggy-cheese03

Holy shit what are people feeding their dogs?


jollygreenspartan

Given the area, probably meth.


AlligatorFist

They are a carnivorous animal with teeth designed to rip and tear flesh


TrooperFrag

My dad is a K-9 officer and several years back, when he had his previous dog, he just got home from work when our neighbors dog got out and tried to attack my dad. He had his service pistol halfway out of the holster when his dog grabbed the neighbors dog by the neck and brought it down to the ground. After that the neighbor came out and grabbed their dog and went inside without saying a word, my dad's dog wasn't hurt but after that she never trusted any other dog.


Master_Crab

I worked at a zoo for a bit and during our orientation they explained there is a rifle team in case anything was to ever escape. Some of the people in the orientation lost their mind when the HR lady explained the animals could present significant danger to staff and guests and if they couldn’t be contained and safely brought back into their enclosure they had to be killed. I remember being so lost that people were so upset about that. If a tiger got out of its enclosure I’d want someone to take it out instead of mauling me or someone else..


Ragnarok_Stravius

Summary of the full video: Officer arrives on scene, probably to look into dogs running around aggressively barking. Officer stands in front of a house for a few moments, gets surrounded by the 2 suspected criminals, for a while, he just keeps his flashlight on both targets the whole time. Dogs run away after Officer does a fake kick start motion on one, he goes to converse with a neighbor, an old lady. Asks if the dogs are from the house he stood in front of for a while, she doesn't know. After Old Lady get back in her house, Officer goes to the neighbor's house, and while going up the steps on the smaller dog of the duo attacks the Officer. Out of all options he had, he goes with the fastest a kick to stop the aggression. Dog runs away crying, and the video ends with the Officer angrily knocking in the Neighbor's door. My opinion? A kick was the least damaging and quickest option to deploy at the moment. A taser could probably kill a dog that size, and as far as I know, the officer isn't in the ATF, so he wouldn't shoot a dog. Also, important detail, the clip used by the dog's owner is 22 seconds long, the Officer's bodycam is 3 minutes, 47 seconds long.


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>A taser could probably kill a dog that size, and as far as I know, the officer isn't in the ATF, so he wouldn't shoot a dog. I sincerely doubt that. I don't think people really know how underpowered a taser really is. It would have to be a very long and strong exposure to cause muscle damage, much less straight up death.


Guroqueen23

My take is in the opposite direction as his, Good luck hitting a dog that size with the taser. Spray is generally my go to for dogs (not police but I live in an area with lots of aggressive strays) and sometimes I can barely hit them with the continuous jet, I can't imagine trying to peg one with 2 taser prongs while it's running around me.


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It's feasible if you have the short spread set up on a taser 7. u/specialskepticalface can speak more accurately about that. I will say that I have sprayed 4 to 5 dogs in my time. 3 out of those 4 just got more pissed. Thankfully, I have never had to shoot one.


Guroqueen23

I'm not sure what kinds of dogs you find yourself getting run down by, but I'm sure it's different than mine given your line of work. I've hit 4 strays with my pepper spray and it has always worked for me.


opkraut

Without knowing anything about the situations that led to those, I would guess that the dogs that PooMagn3t had to deal with were people's pets that were being defensive of their owners or homes whereas strays probably don't have that incentive to keep fighting.


PsychoTexan

Alternate shit take/s: a taser might not be the best due to: * The dog moving much quicker than a person, a difficult target on the attack * The dogs face being a much larger target than on a person, would probably rather kick than hit the dog in the eye. * Fluffiness of dog being a factor? No idea, but based on the number of times tasers were foiled by clothes it may be a factor. * May just piss the dog off more (Generally you shock to compliance or go hands on correct? The dog most likely won’t comply so that would leave hands on which is dangerous.) * If it succeeds in driving the dog off, the dog will likely be taking the prongs with him, depriving you of followup if it decides to have another go. It all depends on the dog of course, if it was like my Aunts old 140lb fanatically loyal rescue Rottweiler who ignored ignored shock collars burning holes into his neck then I’m probably not going for the kick.


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Ragnarok_Stravius

Comment made by u/Fox017: > One of the claims in the viral video post claims police were responding to the home for a burglary. Terre Haute police said that wasn't the case. They claim they were responding to call about an animal complaint. > The complaint claims an aggressive white pit bull was charging at people on the 1700 block of Ohio Street. The person who made the complaint claims the dog bit a child and mail carrier. > Police claim there is a history of animal complaints regarding animals from this home. There it is ----++++---- There was definite need to get to the dog's owner, to get these dogs locked down. Again, a kick was the least damaging thing the officer deployed. Should've read the article, my friend, that's how I got to the Officer's bodycam video.


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Ragnarok_Stravius

I don't think any other tools would've helped more. The taser would've probably made the dog cry more, making his owner scream "ACAB" harder. OC would've probably just made the dog angrier. I think the Officer only got 1 kick to properly connect. Not to mention, the dog hadn't attacked the Officer yet. Sure it stood around angrily before, but no attacks happened until the end of the video. One of the rules that Cops follow is to deescalate a situation, not escalate it.


Section225

People have a wildly ignorant image of what less lethal tools actually do.


DiscipleOfDrone

Did the person create a twitter just for this video? There's only 4 posts, including the viral video. The other three are...*interesting* to say the least. So was the house broken into and the dogs got out or were the dogs left unattended to roam the neighborhood?


XXMAVR1KXX

NO I commented on the post yesterday showing the 10 second clip. With the PD response and body cam footage along with a statement form the PD. The owner who has received citations before this event for his dogs biting an 11 year old girl and a mailman called hours after he was cited for this incident and said someone must have broken in and thats how the dogs got out. Nothing was taken, and they refused to file a report. ​ During the body cam footage when the officer is talking to the neighbor he points out a hole int he fence where the dogs could have gotten out. This was before the porch incident. ​ THe burglary thing was just the homeowner trying to get out of a ticket.


SaltWaterGator

There was no break in


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That account is more than likely a Russian social engineering account. They tend to get more active when a major police misshap happens in order to capitalize on creating more chaos. Read the article. The call was for aggressive dogs. The burglary call was well after the fact, called in by the owner of the aggressive dogs.


Cyb3ron

China or NK would be my first guesses. Russia is yesterday's evil world power, they are a dictatorship in rapid economic decline now. I always laugh when people say Russia hacked the elections because I doubt they have the manpower to do so in a way that would be statistically significant. A lot of for profit criminals operate out of Russia but they usually just create viruses using known zero days. They rank pretty low on the state sponsor of cyber attacks list. It's more profitable for a skilled hacker to hack the west with impunity for monetary gain than to work for their shitty government. China on the other hand due to there robust investment in universities and creating a highly technologically skilled workforce has terrifying cyber attack capabilities (which is why I say free higher education would be a national security asset, as well as a financial one). Some of the largest and most devastating attacks have come out of china, and their technical universities pump out tens of thousands of attempted attacks per day, and that just what their students are doing for training and fun. North Korea also regularly sends people to China for training and the most financially devastating attack ever came from a North Korean state actor. Israeli can also do some serious damage due to the amount of work they've done with the NSA against various middle eastern nations, but they are so wrapped up in middle eastern affairs they mostly leave the west alone. They tried to cause a refinery in Saudi to blow up a few years back, and that's the only attempted attack ever confirmed to have both capability and intent to target human life. Roughly I would rank the major powers like this in terms of cyber capabilities: 1.) China (scale of attack, raw man power) 2.) United States (NSA regularly devs sophisticated zero days) 3.) North Korea (probably the most likely to target the US) 4.) Israeli (again, mostly sticks to the middle east) 5.) Russia (again most of what they do is criminal for profit though)


Arty0811

Then how the hell did the “protected homeowners from a home invasion” narrative get pushed? Oh yea right, Reddit…


Birdbath483

Shocking, the heavily cut video of the incident also had a false narrative attached to it. 🙄


Fox017

> One of the claims in the viral video post claims police were responding to the home for a burglary. Terre Haute police said that wasn't the case. They claim they were responding to call about an animal complaint. > The complaint claims an aggressive white pit bull was charging at people on the 1700 block of Ohio Street. The person who made the complaint claims the dog bit a child and mail carrier. > Police claim there is a history of animal complaints regarding animals from this home. There it is


RedKriegtober11

That’s impossible! The video on the internet said their home was burglarized and the officer came up and viciously attacked the dog for no reason


BlueLantern84

Cop haters will just talk vaguely about “de-escalation” and move on to their next fake narrative, having learned nothing.


ifoundwaldo116

BuT mUh FaCtS. FUCK 12!!! LiArS!!


PsychoTexan

I walk my dog 2 miles a day in my neighborhood and I’ve had 4 dogs come after me and my dog in the last three months. Two were cool once they got close, a pit was just being defensive about the yard and didn’t pursue, but the German Shepherd that tried to bite my dog got a swift boot to the head. They’re dogs. I love mine, but they can’t be talked to and reasoned with. They speak through actions or body language and an action that causes pain is a cease and desist that even an aggressive dog can understand. Abuse is different than correction or defense, but I doubt the distinction makes any difference to those against the officer in this case.


shrimpynut

I just don’t understand why people don’t spend the few hundred to train their dogs especially bigger ones. It makes your life so much easier...


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It's hard enough to get them to snip and keep their dogs indoors in the winter, much less making sure the dogs stay well behaved.


Section225

Wait, you mean there was more context?? This never happens


JustCallMeSmurf

I have both pepper sprayed and kicked dogs. Other deputies have shot and killed dogs. We are not trying to get bit. Plenty of owners tell me their dog is friendly and I tell them to secure their dog repeatedly and they dont. Then they cant see the warning signs of their dog growling and bearing its teeth at me. Then they act surprised when it tries to charge.


ProbablyBearGrylls

If someone is willing to shoot a dog instead of getting bit, I think that is pretty shitty. I’ve been bit by dogs many times, and I can’t fathom shooting them instead of taking a bite. They are simple creatures, and if you think you can march in and expect them to read your intentions then you are in for a disappointment. There are other ways to deal with these situations than pushing through and expecting a dog to not get territorial or defensive.


JustCallMeSmurf

Tell that to my victims who have had reconstructive surgery on their leg and hand. Or the parents who have had children mauled by dogs. I understand what you are saying, but who are you to say whether its appropriate to shoot a dog or not? No situation is the same and unless you are the person being bit or charged, your opinion is irrelevant to the situation because you are trying to apply a black and white position of the need to never shoot a dog and just take a bite. If someones getting mauled, should they just accept the pain and wait for the dog to release? Also its allowed in many police policies that we are allowed to shoot a dog if the circumstances dictate such.


ApoplecticIgnoramous

Dogs are lucky all they got was a kick. Over here there wouldn't even be anything to prosecute, shooting a dog is a civil issue.


Section225

Exactly. Animals don't have 4th amendment rights. It's treated as property.


ReagansAngryTesticle

/u/AccidentalPursuit 😯😐😑


AccidentalPursuit

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fightingkangaroos

When I saw the original video I was a bit upset obviously seeing a dog getting kicked but I could tell it was 100% a pitbull and you can't take chances with that breed. Pit nutters will call them nanny dogs and that's true- they'll nanny you right to the hospital or death if you don't protect yourself. I'm glad part of the video leading up to the incident was released because the white dog was definitely looking to attack. Shitty dog owners letting those fuckers run wild.


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>Pit nutters You can fuck right off with that nonsense. I'm a pit owner too. Unlike the owner of the video, I don't just let my dog roam the yard because I'm not a shitty owner.


Dietchman318

You’re stupid. You speak nonsense. My trained pit will love and dote on you all day long. Yeah she can mess you up if she wants to, but she’s got a great home and is treated well and acts even better. Pits might have physical traits bred into them to make them good fighters, but they are just as trainable as any other breed. Get a clue.


thisiscaboose

> It's another "Twitter listens to the mentally impaired with a 5 second clip before context comes out" episode. Get better writers, it's starting to get stale!