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National October 15th Strike. Our Demands have been updated.

National October 15th Strike. Our Demands have been updated.

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Atryan420

Is there anyone on this sub that actually had organized their entire workplace (i'm not talking about 5-10 people), and they will follow this plan?


Awesometjgreen

No, all my coworkers are dumbasses who thnk jeff earned hjs wealth (amazon worker) apparently I'm the crazy one for thinking our "starter job" should pay us more and give us better benefits.


AlliedAtheistAllianc

Get specific, ask how much harder Jeff Bezos works than they do. For instance, the work Bezos does in one day, how many days warehouse manual labor work or whatever they do would they need to do to do the equivalent? A week? A month? A year? Then show them this- [https://qz.com/1723454/this-is-how-long-an-average-us-worker-needs-to-become-a-billionaire/](https://qz.com/1723454/this-is-how-long-an-average-us-worker-needs-to-become-a-billionaire/) Jeff bezos has done the equivalent of over 2.8 million years of their job in under 30 years at Amazon. If they thought he was a hard worker before, well now they'll have to regard him as some kind of messianic figure. That, or our system is imbalanced. Probably the 2 million years thing though


Awesometjgreen

I tried that. They told me his parents "gave him a small loan" and he made "smart choices" (exploited others) so he deserves to do "less" work then us. Ironically they then told me his work is "harder" because he has to run the while company (even though he no longer does that and probably never did)


AlliedAtheistAllianc

Hmm, let's try another angle. Tell him Jeff Bezos is a liberal who has funded the Democrat party. Ask if Bill Gates, George Soros and Obama are harder workers than he is (by a factor of millions). But tbh it's a waste of time with some people, they are too indoctrinated to ever even consider an opposing viewpoint.


Personplacething333

Its because we don't think like him. We try to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps,he improvised and pulled his bootstraps permanently over his shoulders like boot suspenders. That's how he constantly keeps making ridiculous amounts of money.


AlliedAtheistAllianc

I think he started off with just a small loan of $300,000. I mean that's even more amazing than Trump starting off with just a million dollars. Now his boostraps have reached space.


Fragrant-Round-9853

Boot suspenders LOL. Why does this make me laugh my ass off??!! You made my day thank you!


CassandraVindicated

I don't think the answer is raising minimum wage. I mean, sure, let's bump that up to $15/hr but we also need to incorporate some mechanism to ensure consistent raises. Those have disappeared right along with the unions. There should be "starter jobs" and starting wages, but it should be a matter of course that competence and reliability will quickly move you beyond that. I think we're asking minimum wage to do too much of the heavy lifting. We've completely forgotten about raises. Hell, just getting a COLA is news worthy these days. That needs to change.


oceanboy10

Wages and raises should be tied to executive compensation. An agreed ratio. You raise top pay you must raise all pay.


CassandraVindicated

I think raises on the lower end need to rise faster than executive compensation. I wouldn't think it should be unusual for someone 10 years after hire to be making double what they started at. Assuming they're at the lower end of pay. Executives should never see their pay double.


Lord-Benjimus

The original includes a 20$ wage and raise index to inflation. So that covers that.


CassandraVindicated

That doesn't even come close to covering that. Indexing to inflation basically means that your wage stays exactly the same over the years. The longer you work at the same place, you wages should increase as you become more trustworthy, handle more responsibility, learn more, contribute more, etc. You're asking minimum wage to be the endpoint of where someone ends up after a decade or more into a career. You don't actually want that. You want a minimum wage that allows a person to satisfy their basic needs. THEN, you also want a system whereby substantial raises (in addition to cost of living increases) are a normal part of the compensation process. Having too high of a minimum wage only reinforces the bullshit practice of keeping wages at or near minimum wage. It needs to be low enough to allow room for growth so that we can bring back and renormalize consistent raises. Otherwise, we'll just be right back here in 10 or 20 years looking for more relief.


Lord-Benjimus

I agree with what your goals are. Allowing for index to inflation should mean it will increase the minimum wage as it's tied to inflation. Most people are on minimum wage right now, so it would help a lot of people. I would also like to see raises based on other things, but most people aren't getting that now and need help now. So let's start with this and then once we have strong unions we can push for work ethic and experience/efficiency raises.


CassandraVindicated

I don't think that'll happen. You'll lose too many people if you push for too high of a minimum wage and you'll lose the room needed to make the case for consistent raises. Like I said, you're asking too much from minimum wage. It's not supposed to give you everything you want in life, it's just supposed to be enough to survive. That's with roommates and what not.


PCOverall

If there was reddit would disband it quickly. Reddit isn't here for us, it's here for advertising revenue and owned by the rich.


Adept-Try2633

Has there ever been a general strike in US?


capnmcdoogle

[Seattle General Strike of 1919](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_General_Strike?wprov=sfla1)


bireland7

Multiple. That’s how we got a five day, 40 hour work week


SexyDoorDasherDude

We MUST GET #GeneralStrike trending on Twitter. Put #GeneralStrike along with this picture (updates made for equal maternity and paternity leave) and TWEET THIS OUT: >"use this hashtag> #GeneralStrike " along with the picture below https://i.imgur.com/Mrd5ox6.png


melt_together

This is an old poster. They're labormovementx now. They changed their name because they were getting gouged for the domain. I'm not a part of them anymore. Fun fact: his poster was actually made by this girl who was still in high school.


DiegotheEcuadorian

Nah, it’s Reddit dude. Most people here don’t even work. Those who do actually get shit done. My moms place unionized me I’m just a teenager.


Zarafey

Are there any Unions behind this?


CleavingStriker

Asking the REAL questions. These never work because it's not organized enough. We need those unions to join in for this to ever be effective.


Zarafey

Asking about the unions is the real question behind its level of organisation… it’s completely not useful to make declarative statements void of information or analysis!


melt_together

No. This is wrong. Unions have no strike clauses meaning they can only strike when their contract is up. What are the odds that everybody's contracts will expire at the exact same time to allow a General Strike? This HAS to be a wildcat strike. There is no other option.


TheLiberator117

No, because Taft-Hartley makes it illegal for them to get behind it as it's not directly striking for their own interests. Without the repeal of Taft-Hartley and union buy in, this is just performative at best and counterproductive at worst.


selfagency

in 1919 the american federation of labor (now the afl-cio, the country's biggest labor union) defeated a call from the iww for a national general strike by a vote of 19-1 and then passed a resolution saying that any member organization that called for a general strike would be disbanded.


jeefmcewan

i know the iww arent


saxGirl69

They don’t want to go to prison for violating Taft-Hartley


Greevar

You can't change anything if you're still afraid of the system you want to change.


saxGirl69

Yeah so there’s not nearly enough support to fight the us government openly.


kubla_khan_

Nope. None at all. This entire thing is doomed to fail, people just keep posting it for karma and because it makes them feel like an activist.


[deleted]

unions aren't the credibility gatekeepers you think they are especially when the union officials have been bought and paid for


Zarafey

I never said they where credibility gatekeepers and I’m highly critical of union leadership! I was asking because unions are a means by which that you can very effectively organise these events on larger scales!


SexyDoorDasherDude

We MUST GET #GeneralStrike trending on Twitter. Put #GeneralStrike along with this picture (updates made for equal maternity and paternity leave) and TWEET THIS OUT: "use this hashtag> #GeneralStrike " along with the picture below https://i.imgur.com/Mrd5ox6.png


LilHitandRun

This is delusions at best and egging people who don't know better on at worst


minecraft69wastaken

I want to believe but isn’t this not how general strikes work? You need a network of unions and other groups that agree to uphold it and fight for the demented and help the people survive during the strike right?


DanielagainDaniel

You mean we can’t just make an internet graphic and expect it to work?


minecraft69wastaken

It’s really about as bad as Libs who post a black square or whatever. Maybe this could work if it was some kind of planned protest with these demands but there isn’t even that it’s just a post saying “hey let’s all not show up to work on this day and say it’s Bc the minimum wage is too low etc” like that’s not how any progress in the labor movement has ever been made. Not that strikes aren’t a thing that work, but the power in them is that whole sectors of the economy are gone because of unions working together not a bunch of individual actors choosing to not show up to their job for a day or two.


spartan_green

I think the goal is to show how much disruption a working class standing in solidarity can cause in one day. A one day strike doesn’t accomplish anything in its own - but if the people that participate get a sense of their power, then you build on that.


GodChangedMyChromies

With the current US climate regarding unions, it seems more like a really quick way to get lots of people fired.


Akrevics

well you're not going to have "unions working together" if quite a few of those involved don't have a union to join and can't make one.


minecraft69wastaken

That’s my point. We need to work on unions, parties, and other revolutionary groups because just expecting a bunch of people who saw an Internet graphic to decide not to show up work on a certain day isn’t going to really do much.


Remarkable_Birthday1

Well, fuck


Hx833

We need to start building this up, not knocking it down.


WorkplaceOrganizing

[Here is an organizing guide](https://workerorganizing.org/resources/organizing-guide/) to get you started. [Talk with an organizer](https://workerorganizing.org/talk-with-an-organizer/) if you need more guidance.


DescipleOfCorn

Also general strikes usually have to go on for more than a day to be effective


rikeus

You can't just say "hey guys we're gonna strike now because I say so" without doing the neccessary organizing and making sure people can get what they need so they don't have to scab to survive. All this will accomplish is a few confused people and perhaps some spectators thinking that this is what a "general strike" really is, thus being disallusioned at the concept. It's counter-productive.


greyjungle

Exactly. The threat of strike is meant to bring people to the bargaining table. If those you’re striking against don’t see that as necessary, then why would they care if you strike?


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raincanyon

I will be joining the strike by accident because I am going to court for my eviction notice :/


inzru

This image is literally being upvoted and shared like other popular leftist memes on Reddit and Twitter. It may aswell be a TPUSA meme or similar. There is no concrete real world organising going on with real unions about workers taking a day off work to strike and having them be backed up and protected. I know online leftism is fun, and sharing images and gaining retweets is addictive, but this is a fake strike. If people actually try to strike on 15 October because they saw this image online, its going to actively harm them and make them worse off than before they saw this image. Because guess what, capitalists and middle management will say fuck you, you cost me money by not showing up to work, now I have leverage to fire you, to mistreat you, to cut your pay, to abuse you, to do whatever it is that capitalists do as exploiters. You don't have a mass movement of unions to step in and threaten the capitalists with industrial action. You just have a meme image.


SpiritedPenguin

Bingo.


Hx833

Then start organizing!! Why are we so quick to knock these efforts down instead of building them up??


inzru

Because the people starting these efforts haven't done the work to begin with, and we have to call it out, so that people don't get duped into thinking this is real organising. Remember Joshua4Congress? His tweets seemed really cool, and then his project amounted to an embarrassing pile of shit. We have to call it out. Also, I literally just joined a radical anarchist unionisation effort at my university with other PhD students... I'm trying my best.


Hx833

I think you are making good points, and I hear what you’re saying. I also think that we all agree a sustained general strike is what we need in the current political moment. We also need structures of mutual aid in place to sustain a strike for months on end to have any lasting impact. Does that exist currently? No. In my opinion, starting the action and this conversation about a need for a GS from whichever direction is absolutely necessary at the moment. Yes, this particular action very well may fail. But here I quote Beckett: “Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better”. Failure in leftists politics is inevitable. It doesn’t mean we stop trying, or dismiss all efforts, no matter how naive we may think they are. We ought to build on these kinds of efforts and make them better.


inzru

Right, which is why instead of being dismissive in just one line or downvote, I gave an entire paragraph of feedback about why this strike is bad.


cambriamaven

"People who say it cannot be done, should not interrupt those who are doing it” - original source unknown, attribution disputed, on point here.


[deleted]

because they don't stand in solidarity only gaslight and abuse, hesitatation i'm with you. let's go! OH BUT WITHOUT THE BOUGHT AND PAID FOR UNION LEADERS WHAT EVER SHALL WE DOOOOO ... OH MY


IdentityCrisisNeko

I’m so mad I can’t find the article for back up here. But effectively it was written by someone with experience in labor organizing. To summarize, this kind of “general strike” will never work with out the proper ground work. 1) you need existing unions support. They have resources and experience and numbers. You want to have an effective strike? You need to get the major unions across the country on board. 2) this kind of stuff needs resources. You need to be organized so that people who would lose their homes and livelyhood have communal support so they can continue to strike. I know we would all hate a scab, but I think if you had a child and no way to put food on the table, compromising your ideals to make sure your kid can eat seems like a trade any responsible parent would feel they would have to make. Among a million other cases (disabled workers still needing to work to retain insurance ect ect ect). So you need to be able to organize resources so people barest needs are met. I’m not trying to discourage anyone. I love the concept of a general strike and wish we could pull it off. It would do a lot of good quickly. But these kind of false alarms make a general strike look like a joke. If we want to make this happen we have to organize first, and then advertise!


MacadamiaNut501

https://organizing.work/2019/08/no-more-fake-strikes/ this perhaps?


IdentityCrisisNeko

Yes! I think that’s it!! Thanks!!!


Polymersion

How does one get union support when the unions are gutted and Taft-Harley exists?


IdentityCrisisNeko

There are good unions out there. Can’t remember all of them out of the top of my head but the teamsters union I think is pretty good. I believe flight attendants have a union as well thats decent. Yes, some unions are gutted, and the power that be are against unions and try to minimize their power but in certain areas with strong union support they do exist. You also have to consider a lot of unions are more locally based. Where I live the carpenters union is pretty solid and do a lot of training. Out on the west coast I believe dock workers have a solid union, but a dock workers union doesn’t make sense in the Midwest so they have no presence where I live. Also the quality of larger unions can depend on which chapter your apart of. Like many things, quality changes place to place. Union power now depends on grass roots organizing and community support (and they by proxy support the community). New unions can exist by making themselves important in the local culture, and no law can really stop good PR and community relations. And I mean we’ve been seeing awesome strikes recently. Nabasco and now the Kellogg strike show the mumbling of something big. But again local events need to build up to something greater - not the other way around. Otherwise they collapse. So how does one get union support for something like this? First build a local union. It gives legitimacy to your planning. Work on your personal communities perception of unions. Or, if you live in a place unfriendly to labor, try to build a union with out mentioning it’s basically a union. Lots of people who think they don’t like unions actually do like labor movements but they’ve just been propagandized so heavily you gotta work around that. Or you could start organizing directly with local unions. Got a carpenters union branch? Reach out to them and see what they think. Teamsters? Same deal. If the unions in your area don’t care, help rebuild their staff. Running a union is work and unfortunately due to propaganda unions can have a hard time finding good people to run the union. Like many things building up to something grand require work. Lots of it.


Hx833

This is a first attempt. No labour movement is built overnight in one strike. This needs to be developed and nurtured through collective organizing and working in solidarity. Let’s not be so quick to shit on something because it’s not immediately perfect.


CockgobblerMcGee

This is not a first attempt, absolute tons of these “general strike” graphics have been made in the last year calling for making similar demands.


IdentityCrisisNeko

I’m not shitting on it because it’s not perfect. Obviously things need time to grow and stuff. But I can’t find anything that’s these organizers have any Labour building experience like… at all. It just feels overly ambitious considering. And with out good advertising and organizing some people with good heart are just going to get fired and replaced. This stuff needs time to develop before hoping on to the strike train. I like their moxie and spirit, but how many general strike fliers have we seen on this subreddit? And how many have come and gone with out a peep after that?


[deleted]

it is so weid why some of these folks are to busy in the ivory towers, punching down on us


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big_nkrumah

Why would the parental and family leave not be the same as maternity leave? Gay dads exist, single fathers exist, adoptive fathers exist. Needlessly segmenting folks for no reason. The policy is paid family leave and encompasses all three items under that umbrella.


TheFailingHero

I agree that it should just be equal but I have heard of workplaces that do primary and secondary caregiver leave. It's not perfect but it's at least not strictly based on gender


big_nkrumah

Yeah, I’ve heard of that as well. The problem is defining “primary” vs. “secondary” in the examples I gave above but also in traditional cishet couples where both people work. If we’re fighting for pie in the sky we shouldn’t pre-slice it.


SirBrendantheBold

Fuck the mods for allowing this nonsense to be posted.


Hx833

Why are we so quick to dismiss this? If this isn’t connected to unions, get to work and start connecting it to them.


Ill-Resort-926

What your seeing is an influx of bots, creating fud, to make people not want too.


Hx833

I’m honestly wondering how many leftists are on here. Obviously there are many serious and smart people, and also many others wittingly or unwittingly using or transmitting tactics that destabilize leftists movements. Remember COINTELPRO (that destabilized the Black Panthers) was formed to “increase factionalism, cause disruption and win defections”. A whole lot of that happening on this thread, and on the online left in general. CIA would be proud, including the ones reading this ;).


TheFailingHero

I mean for one organizing a national strike takes longer than a day. I'm also fairly positive you aren't doing any organizing in the real world other than posting on threads like this. If we feel a general strike is necessary than I agree dont dismiss it and get to work, but an image on Reddit with a hard date is not the way this is going to be accomplished.


Hx833

What makes you fairly positive? You know nothing about me. I’m working to unionize my shop, comrade.


[deleted]

THIS! all of these people who don't realize the unions are NOT a bastion of credibility like they don't understand that Union leaders are bought and paid for help friends! this aint right!


saxGirl69

Lmao it’s fucking illegal and any union that joins a general strike will get literally tanks unleashed in them like in 1946


[deleted]

so why use them to gatekeep?


saxGirl69

Look if you want to throw your job away and have the means to do so go ahead. When you start convincing people to follow you with absolutely nothing to backstop the reaction to your so called general strike you aren’t helping anyone or achieving anything. This is nothing but a performative farce.


[deleted]

thanks for being such a great gaslighter /s


saxGirl69

This whole thing sounds like an op to undermine labor organization efforts that’s been building up since the pandemic.


[deleted]

lots of unions currently on strike. get out of the way. you're not helping.


saxGirl69

Not because of your little general strike lmao


wilhelmbetsold

Without any kind of institutional or organizational buy in this is going to flip and just get a few bold fools fired


a_Walgreens_employee

good luck to the 3 people who participate


Hx833

What are you doing to help the cause?


a_Walgreens_employee

i would join this but c’mon let’s be honest its a meme


greyjungle

Have we got unions on board? AFL? That should be when you pull the trigger on this.


Greevar

Wait, 52 week maternity, but only 24 week paternity? That's pretty damn sexist. Fathers and their children deserve to bond just as much as their mothers.


fibrous

yeah, plus it's cis normative.


HumanRevo

Yeah just posting this doesn't make a general strike happen. In fact, online posting like this just...doesn't help anyone.


SexyDoorDasherDude

Like negativity does any better?


HumanRevo

It's not negativity mate, it's fact. Posting this doesn't DO anything but make people think you're terminally online and out of touch with real people and suggest you're not doing real organising. I'm not walking out of my job, alone, unsupported because 'well guv, I saw a post on reddit that said we was all doin it'. Its not practical. Join your local union and agitate. Join whatever real local groups you have and push them to make those decisions. Posting this? Pointless.


[deleted]

FHL is holding a general strike summit in early November. For a sustained strike and establishing full scale mutual aid. Talk to your friends and family. Connect with your neighbors. Let's Gooooo!


Hx833

THIS.


[deleted]

This is the way!


TheBlueHerron1

This shits gonna get people fired and that's about it. Where is the actual organization behind this? Maybe I'm out of the loop but I have heard nothing.


liljamofficial

Please stop reposting and upvoting this shit, it doesn’t have any union support and anyone who trusts this enough to attempt the strike will find no one joined them and will either get disciplined or fired for no-call-no-show. I want all the above just as much as any other person with a speck of self-respect and intelligence, but this is a really stupid plan.


Aksfsc

This is literally just KONY2012 all over again; people will just update their profile pictures or share the post and expect something to happen


SexyDoorDasherDude

wow thats quite the compliment


CTBthanatos

Good, but still no affordable low income housing 😕


GodChangedMyChromies

Wait, let me get this straight, you are announcing it on Reddit, 7 days beforehand, without any apparent support from any major union, no extra info, no effort for coordinating, and I imagine you expected it to work? It's already the second time I see this happen, a general strike is a serious matter, it's the equivalent of a coordinated nuclear strike from the working class, completely stopping everyone else routine and withholding labour until the demands are met, with the thread of complete and utter destruction of the system if it's not done in time. You can't just throw some posts on the internet as if rolling dice and expect it to work. Do you not think, if it was really that easy, it wouldn't have already happened?


Ill-Resort-926

This date was set months ago.


GodChangedMyChromies

But they're announcing it now, and that's honestly the lesser of the problems.


ThatLittleCommie

No it was circulating a couple months back, but still it was just some random guy who declared there will be a general strike without any union support


GodChangedMyChromies

K then


systembucker

awesome demands! a national strike is a great starting point before the necessary international coalitioning! EVERYBODY OUT! EVERY! BODY! OUT!!!! 1 week left to organize! GO!!!!!!!!


WorkplaceOrganizing

[Here is an organizing guide](https://workerorganizing.org/resources/organizing-guide/) to get you started. [Talk with an organizer](https://workerorganizing.org/talk-with-an-organizer/) if you need more guidance.


Herr_Swamper

Is there anyway for me as a european person to support this strike?


311196

Remember people, if this happens these are the maximums. It's not what you'll get, but it's a hell of a lot better than what you have now.


[deleted]

Nah, more like the minimums.


311196

If you want these to be the minimums you better ask for way more so that you have room to negotiate. Like ask for $40 minimum wage, so you can meet at $20.


Creative-Sky5025

Where is this strike gonna be centralized? Will there be a philly Pennsylvania chapter for me to join in this ralley? Any specific location if so to meet to get the best turn out?


weedcop420

On the internet, no, and Reddit


KevSaund

If you need more evidence this is garbage, the official twitter account (linked on the website) is [now been rebranded “Nailgun World” and deleted any relevant tweets](https://twitter.com/strikeoctober?s=21)


comicconcarne_

r/LaborMovementX is where people tried to pick up the pieces from OctoberStrike


SepticGengar

This isn't how strikes work or get organized. This is just gonna get a lot of ppl fired and achieve nothing.


Euphoric_Environment

Lol


ExistTenseNow

While a good idea, this is destined to fail, because we are in LSC. You cannot *work* your way out of it. Only fight your way out. Under the current system, even if these demands are met, the fact that corporations exist under the profit motive means that all you did was give them more time to find replacements for workers - offshoring, outsourcing, restructuring, automation, etc.


[deleted]

Scabby Nihilism isn't a great look. Talk to your friends and family. Let's do this! edit: wtf how is this controversial? Y'all not into solidarity with workers rights and striking? Just nihilistic irony? How sad.


rufuvus

It's well educated leftists mostly recognising this for the disorganised clown show it is. If you go into it with mindless hype, failing will hurt worse. But brace for it to be a learning situation. And you're right. If you can afford to, do not be a scab. But if this goes to shit, a lot of unfortunate participants will be made to suffer specifically because capitalists are cruel and petty.


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rufuvus

How is it highbrow to criticise one disorganised event? Starting with the fact it had way, way too little time to organise around its final goals. Calling for mutual aid and in general worker unionisation or organisation on a community level =/= that october strike. One is a good idea, the other serves more as an awareness campaign.


mybustersword

No he said it was highbrow to be educated. Sounds like a psy ops opinion to me. Don't educate the serfs


rufuvus

I'll admit poor wording on my part. But I hope especially young, I'm saying zoomer lefties, don't barge into October 15th expecting to be shielded from any potential crackdowns by employers. Like, the "official" website has no contacts and its social media has all been hacked and abandoned since... My only beef is with these hashtag hype train movements (tumblr DashCon, anyone?). Centralisation not perfect by any means, but consider joining a local established union before a strike.


SirBrendantheBold

"bourgeoisie leftist" Jesus Christ. Have you ever been in a striking action? Have you ever even belonged to a local? Have you ever, even once, done real-world organizing of anything other than a book club? No labour federation or major union has endorsed this. Not one. No entity or even individual with significant ties to the actual existing labour movement is pushing this. Yet somehow you expect a general fucking strike organized through the internet? You are, at best, ruining the lives of a handful of gullible and isolated fools who fall for your ego-tripping bullshit.


[deleted]

Ah like the union which got .60 cents for striking Nabisco workers. Sit down and STFU


SockDem

Actually, their salaries would go up by around $4,500 after a few years w/ increased bonuses AND they won a better healthcare package.


mybustersword

Because you fail to realize organizing strikes months out is meant to reduce your motivation, and scheduling strikes in the fall is a no win situation because most workers have kids, holidays are upcoming, and it's colder. So people are going to be less engaged in a strike. It's by design. And then when it fails, it reduces future motivation that "nothing ever changes". Quite brilliant actually. And everyone fell for it


Flake28

>While a good idea, this is destined to fail, This right here is why you fail. I am not reading the rest.


Flake28

This really does need to spread. I'm mad as hell and I ain't gunna take shit shit anymore!


stablefish

This would be so amazing… so much of this needs to happen asap, butI think there's so much more suffering, confrontation, and organizing that needs to happen yet. Sure hope I'm wrong, I'd love to be pleasantly surprised next week.


NightStormLOL

https://www.reddit.com/r/agedlikewine/comments/q3z1ff/its\_still\_a\_buggy\_mess/


klopolklopolk

I pretty much agree except for the tax rates which are just too low. Top marginal income tax rate needs to be prohibitive, and 2% yearly wealth tax above 50M is way too low to really impact accumulation of wealth.


AlanCrowley

Remember my fellow Americans, if this doesn't work, you'll have to do a real revolution to claim your rights, seizing the means of production (including the military industrial complex and the Silicon valley) like old-school communist revolutionaries and march straight to Washington A revolution in the imperial core of capitalism will be very welcome


nnorargh

Support from Canada, as we hope this spreads around the globe. Our planet demands it.


ribald_jester

this is a brilliant idea. National strike. No one works until these needs are met.


Ratbagthecannibal

Except this doesn't have the backing of any major unions, and has been like mostly organized online afaik. Without unions, this is doomed to fail.


[deleted]

the same shit unions that get workers 60 cents? and haven't gone on strike in 100 years? bargain on behalf of the corporations?


WorkplaceOrganizing

[Here is an organizing guide](https://workerorganizing.org/resources/organizing-guide/) to get you started. [Talk with an organizer](https://workerorganizing.org/talk-with-an-organizer/) if you need more guidance.


rynil2000

Meh…I’ve got a extra vacation day. A 3-day weekend sounds nice. Thanks for the suggestion.


inedzbread

Can we try to get this on the popular page, upvote the shit out of it


Slambusher

As a capitalist pig I support every single one of those points. Things need to be balanced out and they are so far out of whack those should be the starting points.


PCOverall

This is a joke. You guys should learn history before demanding working class rights. To begin with, before world War 2 and after world War 1 the wealthiest people in the country paid 99% in taxes. And guess what the working class paid? Not a damn cent. Now when world War 2 kicked off, the government turned to the working class saying "we need to protect our country! Let's tax the working class to help protect America!" And at the time, great idea. Worked amazingly. Until after world War 2. The rest of the world went back to low working class taxes, or just started developing the shit out of populated cities. We went the opposite. We kept taxing the working class, and are now at a peak if I remember correctly. Not only that, we started building roads everywhere. Fucking everywhere. And now the time has come to pay to repair those roads. But state governments don't make enough tax revenue. Income taxes cripple the spending habits of a working class schmuck. So states don't actually make enough money to stay afloat. So what do they do to repair aging infrastructure? They expand the city! Because when that happens the local government gets a lump sum loan to pay for those new roads, powerlines, whatever. But we don't use that money to pay for the new stuff, we use it to maintain our already aging and crumbling infrastructure. But now we have twice the amount of infrastructure that needs maintenance than when we started. How is this profitable? Simply, it's not. States don't collect enough taxes to sustain themselves because of our ineffective and inefficient sprawling infrastructure. Whereas if we had more dense cities, we would literally have more tax payers per square mile and thus profitable cities. To summarize, your demands are shit. And nothing less. 0% income taxes on less than 100k a year, 5% at 100k, 10% at 150k, then +10% for every 100k a year. 45$ an hour minimum wage and a four day work week. (we are so underpaid we don't know our true value) And all that required leave shit? Management doesn't care if you have 50+ hours in paid time off. They still won't give it to you.


Jim-Jones

No, it was okay at least until 1975. Then the rich bought the Republican Party and since then they have transferred $50 trillion from the 90% to the 0.1%.


mybustersword

72 actually. That's when housing costs diverted from wages


PCOverall

Don't even get me started on apartment complexes. Any and all businesses should be looked at like this: (hypothetical) WinCo pays 20 employees an average of 20$ an hour. That's 576,000$ that has been pushing BACK INTO YOUR LOCAL ECONOMY. However in the span of a year people have bought roughly 8000$ worth of groceries depending on family sixes. Now there's a lot more than 20 people buying food at winco than getting paid. So winco is having a net negative impact on the surrounding economy. As a business it is taking more money from the local economy than its giving back. This is bad. Now look at apartment complexes. They pay all of four employees, who live at the apartments. So half the money they get paid goes right back into their bosses pocket. Not to mention that they charge 1nsan3 prices and house thousands of people. So winco probably had a net negative impact of about 500,000$ per year on the local economy. Apartments? They have 2mil a year negative impact on the local economy. And that is money that never finds it way back into your city. It sits in a million dollar back account across the ocean.


PCOverall

That's sounds bullshit as fuck. Yes corporate money took ahold of politicians at that point in time, but you give them too much credit. It takes a couple decades for the 50 trillion to come back to them. But it will. We have trickle up economics, not trickle down.


Jim-Jones

>[**America's 1% Has Taken $50 Trillion From the Bottom 90% | Time**](https://time.com/5888024/50-trillion-income-inequality-america/) *And That's Made the U.S. Less Secure* Like many of the virus’s hardest hit victims, the United States went into the COVID-19 pandemic wracked by preexisting conditions. A fraying public health infrastructure, inadequate medical supplies, an employer-based health insurance system perversely unsuited to the moment—these and other afflictions are surely contributing to the death toll. But in addressing the causes and consequences of this pandemic—and its cruelly uneven impact—the elephant in the room is extreme income inequality. How big is this elephant? A staggering $50 trillion. That is how much the upward redistribution of income has cost American workers over the past several decades. .... Around 1975, the extraordinary era of broadly shared prosperity came to an end. Since then, the wealthiest Americans, particularly those in the top 1 percent and 0.1 percent, have managed to capture an ever-larger share of our nation’s economic growth—in fact, almost all of it—their real incomes skyrocketing as the vast majority of Americans saw little if any gains. ... Had the more equitable income distributions of the three decades following World War II (1945 through 1974) merely held steady, the aggregate annual income of Americans earning below the 90th percentile would have been $2.5 trillion higher in the year 2018 alone. That is an amount equal to nearly 12 percent of GDP—enough to more than double median income—**enough to pay every single working American in the bottom nine deciles an additional $1,144 a month. Every month. Every single year.**


ShadowUmbreon197

The leftist subs can’t be reasoned with. The answer is always more government, less work.


[deleted]

Agreed let's go further.


PCOverall

Read my other comments.


Flake28

Such a shame. You wrote all that bullshit and I read none of it.


PCOverall

Apathy is the death of revolution. Stop being lazy.


SimpleOpen7803

Cringed at your longwinded posts. You seem to have a tenuous grasp on hypothetical face-value transactions in the vacuum of your own strange narrative. I dont even know where to begin with you and this spotted timeline(?) of bizzare mental gymnastics


PCOverall

That's a wild way of saying you disagree but have no basis to back it up. What industries have you worked in? What business have you seen the underbelly of? I've worked every odd job I could, like Mike Row (don't get me started on that anti union topic) Why don't you have any posts while we're at it


SouthernTrogg

This is the dumbest shit I’ve ever seen. A 4 day work week means you’re only working 208 days a year. 38 days off means you’re only working 170 days a year. That’s only working 50% of the days, lol


Mihail-icb

Im to European for this


bighoney69

Comments passed the vibe test


threeleggedgoose

Yea well check back in 6 hours.


BoopDead

Glad you're trying to organize a strike for workers rights. That's great. But in what world do you think you can demand ALL of this ALL at once? There is way too much we're asking for there. Not saying it isn't POSSIBLE, because I know for a fact it is. I'm saying these fairly high expectations probably ruin some of the credibility of the movement


SexyDoorDasherDude

Youre too negative for this moment.


BoopDead

I'm sowwy I try but I debt and doubt. Plz 4giv me


Rome_Ham

Good intentions, but not thought out enough. Executives are gonna be laughing at these demands. What can we even do to escape this hell


Skynet-supporter

Damn overall top marginal rate in california is 56.4%. Would be great if it would be just 55% :)


HauntedFrigateBird

Paternity & Maternity leave should really be the same.


Cecilia_Wren

It's good that the demands are more specific now than just "healthcare" and "no tax dodging" but you're still missing the critical funding and union support needed for successful general strikes https://youtu.be/tjHDGjgpsps


Lice138

Im convinced that stuff like this is just an Astroturf movement started by big corporations to create a standards that only they can live up to so they can put everyone else out of business. The "carbon negative" economy is just BS, large companies just buy carbon credits and everyone else will or already have outsourced things to places like china and India who can still increase emissions under the Paris accord.


SwaggySis

Whether this is organized or even real. It’s something. All it would take is one day for all the real laborers to not show up. No teachers, no healthcare, no bus drivers, no garbage collector’s, no cashiers, no store workers , no restaurant workers, no hotel staff, no maintenance, no baristas, and the list could go on and on. Their precious economy would buckle without the peasants doing all the work. They know we have the real power and it terrifies them. I dream about the day we all realize our power. Our strength is in our numbers.


Snorlax_Dealer

Honestly speaking, while I am Impressed by the attempt, I don't think it will work in America cause everything is more or less controlled by those that are rich and there are more morons than sensible people.


Randomuser3950

If this all goes through, I'm moving to the US when I graduate


Profoundpronoun

Doin’ it. Err, not doin’ it.


oooliveoil

!remidnme 8 days


Poison_Toadstool

Admirable.


yozaner1324

My employer gave us that day off, so I guess we can't strike... I think they pulled a sneaky.


NWRockNRoll

Pfft. Why stop at 20? Demand $30 minimum wage! Any business who protests deserves to be shut down!


mrjigglejam

I mean I'm down, albeit pessimistic


Raindomusername

Anywhere to donate?


WorkplaceOrganizing

[here](https://secure.actblue.com/donate/ewocsustainer)!


pine_ary

You‘re actually harming the cause with this bullshit. All this does is produce more doomers. You can‘t just declare something and think that‘s gonna happen. Pick up a book about general strikes of the past. They‘re hard work and you did none of it.


SexyDoorDasherDude

I did a lot more than some random person bitching cynically at people who arent lazy asses.


SecondEngineer

Don't cry wolf unless you're organized please


TNO1000ReichWeek

You know there's a line between labor and communism right?


SexyDoorDasherDude

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TNO1000ReichWeek

Dude some of this is very radical even compare to social democratic standards. Secondly, no one will even go one strike, at best 1000. The rest will be internet socialists, stalinists and trotskyists. Tone it down and bring unions on so it can work.


SexyDoorDasherDude

No u


TNO1000ReichWeek

Could we talk like adults please?


SexyDoorDasherDude

go away


TNO1000ReichWeek

Dude you sound like you're shitposting


comicconcarne_

r/LaborMovementX for anyone who was interested in general striking but wants to organize the support for it first