By - BasicallyMilner
His exact words were:
> We would be forced to have people of different colours and different sexes and we would have to have a trans. You know life doesn’t have to be like that. We can be separate and different.
He has since apologised with the following:
> Yes - I was ambushed and completely stitched up by a journalist at the recent ITV event. And it’s led to a whole mess of press stories making it look like I’m unfriendly to trans people. Nothing could be further from the truth. My words were subtly twisted. I should have known better than to talk to those predatory Press hacks. Sincere apologies to anyone who has been hurt by the stories. My heart is open as always to humans of all colours, all creeds, all sexes and sexualities, all shapes and sizes - and all creatures. We all deserve respect and an equal place in this world. And my grateful thanks to all of you who stepped up to defend me in the last couple of days. It means so much that you have faith in me. With love - Bri
I'll leave it up to you whether you personally think that's good enough or whether the man that says "we'd have to have a trans" is just apologising because of the backlash he's seen happen to his brand.
Playing mean guitar doesn't mean he's not a reactionary bell-end.
why can't people just be fine with people being people and stop labeling each other by their features and instead label them as the non crazy and the crazies xD
then we would know who to really stay away from.
"that crazy right over there with the armed weapon!" o.o
"Ahhhhh everyone run away!"
I know this is about trans people but TIL Freddy Mercury is parsi! I had no clue I just thought he was aggressively English, which I guess he still was but not ethnically lol
Jesus fucking Christ why there is so many transphobe in this thread.
>Jesus fucking Christ why there is so many transphobes on Reddit?
isnt he 100% right on this? why deny it? force diversity is 100% a fact now
Yes because every rock band is now forced to have trans people. Clearly, 100% right.
You miss the point, i never mention bands
Man I sure hate it when reality has people different than me
woke people getting offended wait untill they call me x-phobic
So what's being enforced then?
You said he was 100% right and I quoted him
in mainstream media is enforced by the "woke" people, can you deny that?
Yes because you still haven't provided evidence of one rock band forced to do such things.
thats life for ya bucko
Yes considering you haven't provided any real world examples and are just vaguely gesturing towards this perceived "forced diversity"
Sure thing woke
So you have no argument then? You're not even going to try?
At least you admit that much, dude there is no overarching woke enforcement, it's just people reacting to what they believe.
Its like comic industry, every year they are selling less and less while manga is breaking records in sellings, the forced woke stuff doesnt work, why pander people who didnt even going to buy your product, i dont get it
No the comic industry is failing because they won't keep up with the times selling paper comic books in an increasingly digital marketplace. I have no idea if or why Manga is growing in popularity but I bet it has more to do with them being willing to embrace what the former is unwilling to do, selling ebooks or whatever else that aging industry fails to understand. Manga is still not nearly as popular as American comic books and as such isn't subject to as much scrutiny by our media. Manga also has a lot of Transgender stories and characters so I'm certain it has nothing to do with "wokness".
Name a trans musician apart from Laura Jane Grace without looking it up
An all trans bands actually sounds funny
…what would be funny about it?
A lot of things
A lot of things
I don't know, you're the the one who said an all trans band sounds funny, list the reasons that would be funny to you.
Not responding as a "gotcha", more so for trans representation.
not a gotcha either, i just want to add some representation. cavetown (robin skinner) is a trans man musician. not necessarily my kinda music but my two closest friends like his stuff.
Alexander James Adams.
Wendy Carlos. Sopor aeternus.
I just found out Angela Morley (who arranged for Scott Walker among others) is trans. Same era as Carlos too, which makes me kinda glad.
Also here just to spread trans musicians, Dorian Electra is a nonbinary musician and they've got some fun songs. Man to Man is a favorite of mine
lol how does it feel to be this dumb
A lot of butthurt people crying lmao
How many bands can you name, without looking anything up, with trans members?
i can think of one (i wish i knew more/there were more)
although my transgender friends and i (also trans) are all planning on starting a band together one day, for fun.
Yeah, when was the last time you saw a rock band comprised entirely of white cis guys....?
…Because Freddie Mercury was a straight white guy. (/s)
This is like if David Bowie or Iggy Pop were to say that feminine or gender non-conforming men are weird
He’s just mad that he will always be in the shadow of Freddie
oh _no_, people who are _different_ than me? how would we cope??
honestly why do people think diversity is so terrible
Tribalism allowed the human race to survive for a very long time by ousting those who would tear the tribe apart and doom the human race. Now it is ingrained in our lizard brain psychology so deeply that even though including those who are different would no longer be the end of humanity, it's still an uncomfortable feeling akin to an irrational fear.
It takes effort to push past the knee jerk reaction that being inclusive/tolerant means "losing". It's the ultimate irony that the only way we can move forward as a species is to abandon the instincts that got us here.
You seriously need to stop watching racist YouTube theories and start reading or something. These are the paranoid ramblings of my ultra racist uncle, and he lives in his mother's basement at 53, watching fascist videos and complaining about every single minority you can think of.
Not only is your theory stupid (the amygdala response to humans that stand out isn't "lizard brain psychology" instincts that helped us build civilizations, it's simple neurology), it's also wrong (every single major civilization has been multicultural). You still have time to actually go into history if you want to, but you gotta drop the talking heads online who view history as proof of their racist inclinations.
"The instincts that got us here" Got us where? The modern day?
Do you seriously think all of society is based on being able to discriminate against ethnic minorities and homosexuals? Because what you're implying is that the historical massacre and oppression of these groups is somehow the pillar holding up civilisation when in reality we haven't "needed" any of these instincts since the bronze age.
I feel I've phrased this poorly. What I was trying to get at is that the instinct to discriminate exists in humans and we shouldn't fall to it, but we shouldn't ignore it. We must acknowledge it exists in order to actively fight against it. It's not an excuse for racism. Understanding that some people have to fight against this urge to discriminate harder than others (whether due to nature or nurture) can help us move forward as a society.
queen are woke af surely
A lot of old rock stars who were woke for their day have sadly become.....well... not
Or maybe they just weren't then and haven't changed since.
Maybe it's age, maybe the fame or the money.
And a badger. Must have a badger in the band
i wish. badgers are beautiful creatures, and i’d also love some trans representation and more trans musicians, of course
Always wanted to pet a badger. I know they’re viscous but I’d like to give a nice one a snoot boop.
My mind always goes straight to badgers when Brian May is mentioned.
Oh god forbid Queen having gay people in it how terrible
He said sexes and colors, not sexuality.
Freddie Mercury was Indian.
An Indian from Tansania, even.
People with the same ethnicity can have varying skin colors. His skin wasn't white but it was really light. It's the kind of diversity that most people don't even realize is diverse.
You're correct, and the fact he can look white to a lot of people almost certainly helped him, but he was still a different race, and while race and color aren't equivalent, in the quote it could be argued they're being used interchangeably, and I think people are frustrated because ethnicity =/= color feels like missing the point.
And not adding anything, but that his (likely) bisexuality and nonwhiteness were both easily made invisible to folks that didn't want to see it is both intriguing and very sad.
Tbh the “fear” about cancel culture for Gen X is that they previously were the cool, subversive and progressive ones for being in a band with “a gay” but now that’s no big deal, times have moved on and it now seems like that’s not enough, which begs the question about whether they had the right spirit for progressiveness in the first place.
It’s the same with comedians from the 80s like Rowan Atkinson decrying the death of free speech in comedy, apparently they were progressive enough when they said the N word in defence of black people being downtrodden by the Tories and Police by acting like them on TV, now those same people are empowered enough to say you shouldn’t say the N word even under those circumstances, all of a sudden they’re on the same free speech platform as people they surely wouldn’t support previously.
What I’m thinking out loud basically is, for these people was progressiveness okay because they took on the role of privileged person being “cool” with the underprivileged by sticking up for them, but now we’ve had some strides in raising the underprivileged up to a level where they can speak for themselves why the fear all of a sudden? Isn’t this what they wanted?
Brian may was born in 1947. He’s a solid boomer, not gen x
Way I'd put it is that they weren't progressive, they were rebellious. The actual rights of man mattered less than the fact that it Wasn't Conservative or Wasn't Christian.
They supported the gays and set the stage for progressiveism, but their goals weren't really to benefit gay people they were to flip a bird to their parents, who happened to be homophobic, racist snobs.
I never thought about it this way, but you're right. Much of that era of music and comedy was about being shocking and outrageous for the reaction, rather than actually pushing a cause.
What the fuck does Gen X have to do with any of this?
Brian May was born in 1947. You know, during the baby boom? Making him part of the generation known as Boomers.
Alright calm down mate, baby boomers then. Was that really the important part to my post?
Read the first line dear.
Lol coming from the guy who made "I want to break free" where they crossdressed while singing a song about being your true self
Because every band now has people of multiple races and genders
It’s really telling that they expect me, the reader, to have a reaction other than “okay… and?”. Like change nothing about queen other than the things they listed and what? I’m supposed to not enjoy bohemian rhapsody because a trans person was involved?
Edit: [may have been too quick to judge, possibly taken out of context](https://reddit.com/r/AreTheCisOk/comments/r4j3l3/as_it_turns_out_rock_grandpa_is_okay_it_was_once/)
He is saying that he would be forced to have them in the band, not that he doesn't want any in his band. He does not like forced diversity is all.
Freddy Mercury who
If only someone could have forced them to make any decent fucking music
I just have to wonder where all these trans people are taking cishet white men's jobs as I was closeted for most of my life because the only representation out there was dead prostitute #5 or the punchline of a tired joke. To date I can count my positive media role models on one hand.
Yeah, basically. And now that shows and whatnot are actually trying with this stuff, there's an unending stream of reactionaries that think they're victims of a worldwide conspiracy to erase their traditions and values and turn them gay.
the band is literally called Queen. Come on.
Does brian remember what band he was in?
They were called Queen.
They were fronted by a ~~gay~~ bi Parsi man.
Every single person in the band looked non-binary.
It's almost like Brian May has swapped brains with a UKIP dad from Essex. Of course, he's always been a little like this but yeah.
> It's almost like Brian May has swapped brains with a UKIP dad from Essex. Of course, he's always been a little like this but yeah.
He also has a degree in astrophysics. A literal rocket scientist. What do you have?
He never worked in astrophysics anyway, and by the way, what has his degree to do with the crap he's saying??
Just show respect for people who are smarter and more accomplished than you.
I have no reason to respect a walking bush who actually disrespected a lot of people himself. If you want to keep on licking his ass, well, do it, just accept that I'll shit on his accomplishments as much as I want. Not that I'm forcing you to hate him anyway. Yeet yourself, bye-bye
Nobody cares if you shit on his accomplishments, because you’re nobody and he is one of the greatest rock stars of all time.
The amount of fuck I give about it. At least I'm not a dick towards other people unlike him. That already elevates me, and most people in the world luckily, way further than him
Plus if he's so smart how come he's such a wanker? Like it's not hard to not be a wanker, it's really easy, loads of people do it all the time.
If anyone needs the secret, it's that when you're going to do/say something you think "Would this make me a wanker?" and if the answer is yes you don't do the thing.
Wasn't Freddie Bisexual though?
>They were fronted by a gay Parsi man.
Probably not gay. He was involved with a lot of women and bisexual erasure is kind of a problem.
I agree with your overall point though!
Some gays get erased by all this ‘bisexual’ bet-hedgeing
I'm not saying that never happens, but generally people assume that if you so much as kiss a person of the same sex as you, you're G.A.Y.
And I'm not sure anyone's hedging their bets so much as simply going for an accurate description here...
Thank you for saying that
Or you could look at it the other way; gay men were really discriminated against and looked down upon, but as long as they also got on with women, well perhaps they wouldn't be picked out so much.
So perhaps he only got with women so he wouldn't be discriminated against, almost the complete opposite of what you said.
Most likely, he was just a sexual being and enjoyed the company of both whenever it fit him. Or being a gay idol sold, whereas being bi didn't.
We will never know!
Based on my experience as a bisexual guy, I've had a few encounters with homophobes. Never once has anyone ever stopped and shouted "Hang on guys, he likes girls as well!- We'd better leave him alone." In fact, there's a lot of evidence to say that bisexuals suffer more (in terms of mental health and so on) than gay or straight people. So while I can accept that some gay men will claim to be bi as a stepping stone out of the closet, I don't think they would actively pursue sex with women - which I understand Mercury did a fair bit - simply to avoid discrimination. Equally, I don't think he every tried to keep his interest in women a secret to pass as a 'gay idol'.
Although he was never really that open to discussions about his sexuality or his preferred labels, my understanding is that he was referred to in the press at the time as bi, and had sex with two (or more) genders, and that generally, references to him as gay are essentially bisexual erasure, whether done knowingly or not.
Not to mention the video for I Want to Break Free. I mean most of their videos were extremely iconic for us trans folk. But then Freddie was pretty much the best of us. Truly a beautiful soul gone far too soon.
That’s what I was going to mention. Freddy was Probably dealing with gender dysphoria as well. I want to break free is such an amazing song and video.
>such an amazing song
Just because he's such an underrated figure in rock/pop history, I want to mention the song was written by John Deacon.
Freddy was bisexual, not gay.
Well please make the trans person the front person because they already have a lot of experience with making a great deal of effort to present themselves in a certain way so the public will accept them. Nobody's looking at the drummer anyway.
Only trans people make an effort to present themselves?
You really wanted to get on Reddit and get offended today didn't you?
I’m not offended, I’m just tired of trans people acting as God’s chosen people who carry a unique and crushing weight that normies don’t bear.
*everybody* balances how to present their internal identities vs. the expectations of public perception.
Remember Obama and tan suit?
lmao Imagine having being this distant from reality
Bruh I’m more connected with reality than you will ever be. I see all these trans subs with people complaining about the challenges of everyday life, but they think they are the only people who suffer those challenges. What should I wear? Why don’t people date me? I don’t like my coworkers? Welcome to life, buddy.
lmao that's literally not the case. yeah it happenes sometimes but not that much. it spunds more like you're saying
"these peoples problems should stay away from me"
cry some more.
I cry a lot bro. I cry for all of humanity at this point. Each injustice that is done, results in another tear falling from my eyes. I just wish trans people would be happy to be trans, rather than treating it as if it is a curse.
>~~Only~~ trans people make an effort to present themselves
> ~~Only trans~~ people make an effort to present themselves
Wow, you're fun
That’s what your mom told me
Mondays are hard, aren't they
It’s Sunday, moron!
😂 it's Monday mate. You're gonna be late for work
Bold of you to assume i’m employed.
What your dad said before committing a felony.
If you say you’re english, yeah, they throw you in jail.
If you say you're English? They'll put you jail?
Yeah, these days, if you say you’re English. They throw you in jail.
When did this come in?
I'm in jail at the moment just because I went to a Halloween party as a sexy English.
Serves you right, you saucemeister.
Theres already an african bi,its not enough?
Zero trans people won [a Brit award in 2021](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/41st_Brit_Awards#Winners_and_nominees)
The title is sarcasm, if that's the thing you think is bullshit; it's mocking what right wingers continuously accuse leftism to be
Ah I see. It’s kinda funny but silly me for getting annoyed. Feel free to downvote
Smooth brain moment
He’s saying - The ethnic, gender and sexual make up of the band would be criticised if it were started today.
Which isn’t true in terms of musical bands, but is true in terms of many other organisations and groups of today.
Sounds like his problem is with quotas/affirmative action.
A rock band with a gay, African front man would be celebrated like Christmas these days.
Aye, sources vary but he was either born in Tanzania or Zanzibar. His real name was Farrokh Bulsara.
Oh, I knew he was Parsi but didn’t realise he was African too.
It sounds like a cultural commentary on pandering, I mean I think generally people already think it's dumb when certain characters are recast as a minority just for the sake of it. If what Brian means is that he prefers authenticity over diversity for diversity sake, then I totally get what he means and yeah, society does have a problem with that. Brian May is an artistic genius but I guess he just comes across as a white boomer to people incapable of much thought.
Heaven forbid someone is casted by a minority and the film doesn't justify it
Someone come get their grandpa, he’s embarrassing himself.
Like, did he forget that the lead singer of his band was a famously bisexual Zoroastrian Parsi from Zanzibar by the name of Farrokh Bulsara?? Does…does he _not_ know what band he was in??
People of different colours?
He knows Freddie Mercury was a Parsi, right?
Wait till he find's out he was also bi-sexual.
Does he realise that bands are formed now by all white people still?
No I think that's illegal now. Every band is required to have least one "person of colour" like for example a person of Parsee heritage
Good thing Queen never had any people of colour, especially not Parsi
Trans people? In the classically hyper conservative and conforming culture of rock and roll? I'll believe it when I see it!
Is he though? Can you name one mainstream band that has a trans perosn in it. The only one I can think of is Jethro tull and Dee Palmer has been openly trans since the 90s
The previous comment was removed, but the lead singer of Dead or Alive (You Spin Me Right 'Round) is trans.
You mean Pete Burns? Uh firstly he’s dead and secondly he was never trans
> On the topic of his sexuality, Burns stated, "[People] always want to know – am I gay, bi, trans or what? I say, forget all that. There's got to be a completely different terminology and I'm not aware if it's been invented yet. I'm just Pete."
That's interesting and I didn't know that but it does seem they are no longer together so aren't entirely relevant to the clain May was right about all bands now needing to have trans people
Without googling it, name one mainstream band with mixed ethnicities and a transperson in it. A huge proportion of bands today are fairly homogenous (in terms of both race and gender) and not ONCE have I EVER heard bands being criticised for that other than a few bait accounts going after all black or Asian bands.
All of them. Prove me wrong.
I don't think you fully thought out saying "prove me wrong" there.
look up literally any band
Nah he's a prick
Ah yes, so our current conservative government will make this mandatory somehow?
State mandated trans people
In Soviet Russia, every band must have "a trans" or 12 years in the gulag
Translation: “I’m old and insecure about sharing cultural space with people who don’t look like me. I’m irrationally afraid that I will be forced to assimilate in the ways that they were made to in the past.”
God, you seem like you would be a joy to be around..........
Like on the band or just like generally, we as a species would be somehow forced to give one single person a license to have bottom surgery.
Well Mercury being gay, you all dressing like women in some of your vids. I think that would have covered it really.
This is the most absurd thing about it. They had a *bisexual Persian-Tanzanian singer, which covers more bases than your average Mojo front cover
Why are we reading the Sun here?
Does op know that Brian may lives in a capitalist country
And this would be bad, why?
If the Revolution doesn’t have rockin’ bands with trans members then... your revolution is lame...!
Without even checking, I guarantee you that whichever paper printed this article, also printed something explicitly homophobic about Mercury at the time. I guarantee it. If OP can link me the article I’ll do the digging myself.
It's from the Sun so you shouldn't have to look too hard.
In which case, they probably sent out printed copies of thinly veiled homophobia today!
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Exactly. Why would queen need that? Imagine dragons doesn't have that, twenty one pilots doesn't have that, one direction, etc.
Mather of fact Queen has the LGBTQ representation even when it's not needed. The main difference is if Queen happened now Freddy would have probably lived to continue making great music
If a new band was trying to inherit Queen's mantle in the modern day, it'd be incomplete without them tbh... you couldn't recreate Queen's sound and aesthetic and general whole point without any LGBTQ+ band members
Woah thanks for sharing!
It just obviously wouldn't be the same lol
Not sure if you’ve heard of this Freddie lad
I know he was gay, obviously. Just not sure why sexuality is relevant. This place can be so toxic sometimes.
Listen, it's not about sexuality in terms of sexual preference, it's about the fact that he was queer. Growing up queer, especially in conservative spaces, just gives you a different outlook on life and an aesthetic. It's why so many punks and alt kids are queer, those aesthetics stem from growing up closeted and excluded. While all members played a part in it, Freddie basically built up Queen's aesthetic, he *made* them this iconic presence that's still remembered decades after his death