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Found on my friends Instagram story, how do I convince them this isn't real?

Found on my friends Instagram story, how do I convince them this isn't real?

King-Sassafrass

> @the_political_compass #🗿


Maleficent-Search115

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Maleficent-Search115

Why is mine so small :( Edit:nvm I made a enlargement surgery #🗿


swordandsourcery

It’s okay, size shaming is for losers.


Gekkoseta

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Naternaught

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Wiwwil

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Wiwwil

^ 🗿 Edit : Didn't work


Darrkeng

It's not about how big or small, but how you use it


oliveiramg

It's inversely proportional to your dingdong size.


AverageLeninEnjoyer

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Monke-Mammoth

The problem is they don't seem to understand that these accounts are spreading shitty western misinformation, like no matter what I say they just scream "tankie" and call me a "genocide denier"


Bowmister

Call them CIA bootlickers. They're not interested in a rational discussion, so don't give them one. Not even the State Department is still pushing the genocide line, anyone still on that is a pain piggy for empire.


RoyalSnipez15

Ok pain piggy has to be the funniest thing I’ve heard this week


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geolibertarian

That’s not as sharp a drop


jacktrowell

Every country of the world experienced drop in fertility rates following I dustrialization and urbanisation. Every. Single. Developed. Country.


darthtater1231

More like the poltittycal cumpiss


richietozier4

According to that same data 80% of IUD insertions happened in Xinjiang, and 60% happened in Siuchan. Just two provinces and we’re already above 100%


Bowmister

Westerners will believe this.


salac1337

that just shows how evil the see see pee is. they force them to have more than one iud at a time. authoritarianism *facepalm*


geolibertarian

I believe the data comes from the PRC demographics website actually. I’m with you, but you don’t want to get that wrong


richietozier4

Yeah, it was actually 8.7% mf forgot the decimal point


jacktrowell

And IUD are removable contraception device, they don't make you sterile, you can have them removed when you decide you want a child, my own mother used one before I was born.


applejuice72

If I had a friend that was on any Political Compass pages I would simply disown them


darthpoof

That myth comes from [this](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YRJ095haumrubfAA4C6_uTHbfjzGqQaO/view?usp=drivesdk) report from our very dear friend, [Adrian Zenz](https://thegrayzone.com/tag/adrian-zenz/). Of the many methodological errors and logical fallacies in that report, one of the most shockingly stupid ones is that he claims 80% of all IUD insertions occurred in Xinjiang, when in reality the [Chinese primary source he cites](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Y_G9pQsEwU_rQEQ4bVrwbzCdZvchCZbB/view?usp=drivesdk) (page 26 source 38 in the Zenz report, the corresponding table is on page 228 of the primary source) says that 8.7% of IUD insertions occurred in Xinjiang... meaning that he literally just misplaced a decimal by one point when doing his calculations to arrive at 80% lmfao. [Here](https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1193454.shtml) are [some](https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1302992673540911104?s=20) rebuttals [from](https://web.archive.org/web/20200925225137/https://www.xju.edu.cn/info/1023/8072.htm) SeE [sEe](https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-09-14/Six-lies-in-Adrian-Zenz-s-Xinjiang-report-of-genocide--TMIv2qWemA/index.html) PeE [pRoPoGaNdA](https://c.m.163.com/news/a/FML395P60514R9OJ.html) Edit: also, after knowledge of the mathematical error in the report became widespread, it was removed from the website that hosted it. The only way to get it now is to use a download link from an archived image of the page. However, BBC, AP, CNN etc etc never wrote articles about how the report they were citing had an obvious error and was removed. The damage was done, everyone just remembers the headlines about "forced sterilization" and "population control" and "declining birthrates" without the whole story, background, and aftermath.


Sephitard9001

It's even dumber than that lol. He responded to criticisms that he misplaced the decimal point by saying "nuh uh you dumbo Chinese liars, my report only counts NEW IUD insertions, not the total amount. It's comparing the national total to the total insertions minus removals" The dumbass didn't realize that regions beside Xinjiang had net negative insertions so it throws his math completely out of wack if you use the same equation in other provinces. You get some wacky shit like 80% of IUDS are in Xinjiang simultaneously while 40% are from Henan or some shit. Like a complete and total train wreck of logic.


darthpoof

Obviously, China is sterilizing over 700% of its population, take that red fash tankie


soporificgaur

I get Zenz criticism, but this one always stood out to me as bullshit. The part explaining the methodology about net IUD insertions is very clearly explained in his original article, it’s not like he messed up or misread or misplaced a decimal point or anything, people just keep repeating that shit when they could instead be calling him out as an evangelical Christian shill.


Sephitard9001

Do the math he claims he did to arrive at 80% but use the statistics for any other region and you'll discover for yourself that he made a serious error. He's doing calculations to arrive at 80% under the assumption that every region has net positive amounts of new IUD insertions. But they don't. Some regions have a net negative, less IUDs. This error makes it so that you can apply his math to many other regions to arrive at a number higher than 20% which should be literally impossible if Xinjiang received 80%.


soporificgaur

No, he's just never claiming that positive percentages add up to 100% lol, he isn't incorrect in any world in that particular statistic. If you're going to attack his methods, then why the hell is this the one you latch on to? The only reason this statistic is remotely prominent in discussions of his report is that people were dumb as fuck and couldn't read, no need to defend that.


Sephitard9001

What are you talking about? His claim is that Xinjiang received 80% of the IUD insertions in 2018 and he determined this by using a specific equation with data gathered from a table he cites on IUD procedures. There is only a possibility of 100% of IUDs. There cannot be more than 100% of that procedure for a single year. 100% of IUDs accounts for every single IUD procedure. The "math" he uses can be used to find the supposed percentages of IUDs the other regions received and it adds up to more than 100% of IUDs, which is an impossibility.


soporificgaur

No, it doesn't add up to more than 100% IUDs. Negative numbers are a thing?


Sephitard9001

Just going to paste my reply from when I had this same conversation a while ago in response to Zenz's tweet defending his original article from criticism. Here I replicate Zenz's math to arrive at the 80% IUDs he claims Xinjiang makes up. "Start with the national totals. 3774318 Total new IUDs - 3474467 Total IUDs removed = 299851 net IUDs Now the numbers for Xinjiang. 328475 new IUDs - 89018 IUDs removed = 239457 net IUDs 239457 net IUDS divided by 299851 = 0.798 which would be about 80%. This is the ONLY way he could have arrived at 80% assuming he wasn't lying in his tweet. Here's the absolutely hilarious part about this calculation: We can do the same thing for the other regions! Let's try it with Henan. 342451 new IUDS - 136170 IUDs removed = 206281 net IUDs. 206281 Net IUDs (from Henan) divided by 299851 Net IUDs (National total) = 0.687 which would be about 69%." He didn't account for some regions having negative IUD insertions when comparing Xinjiang to the national average so it completely skews the result and makes his equation worthless. He straight up claims that Xinjiang made up 80% of new IUDs in 2018. Otherwise, what exactly is the significance of this 80% figure? He says in his own report that this statistic is their strongest evidence of genocide but it's falsified.


soporificgaur

Your response is dumb, but remember, just because the numbers actually do add to 100% doesn't mean that you don't know what a negative number is! Maybe you just forgot.


Sephitard9001

Feel free to provide an equation that has Xinjiang being 80% then.


PeopleNotProfits

If you ever want to see how completely delusional Adrian Zenz is, just read the free preview of his book *Worthy to Escape: Why All Believers Will Not Be Raptured Before the Tribulation*. His standard of evidence is literally: “God speaks to me.”


soporificgaur

I get Zenz criticism, but this one always stood out to me as bullshit. The part explaining the methodology about net IUD insertions is very clearly explained in his original article, it’s not like he messed up or misread or misplaced a decimal point or anything, people just keep repeating that shit when they could instead be calling him out as an evangelical Christian shill.


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soporificgaur

The report wasn't taken down, and it's explained in the caption of the figure where the relevant table is mentioned, Figure 6.


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soporificgaur

Did you try subtracting removed from added? Because that's what he said to do, and that's what I got when I did it, and that's what any number of other people have gotten?


REEEEEvolution

Actually the PRC said "Yes" two times.


trorez

Show them population and fertility rates in eastern europe after 1989


KubaPlatt

Send the thousands of articles showing the chinese inviting the West to see the conditions of Xinjiang and they just denying to go


sinovictorchan

They have the logic that 'Capitalist is too lazy to find evidence = Communist censor evidence with their hard work and innovation' and 'Western government using their authoritarian power to isolate Communist countries = Communist countries isolating themselves'. You can't comprehend the abnormal bizarre mindset of Western imperialists.


papayapapagay

Stuart Gilmore tore Zenz a new one on this: https://mobile.twitter.com/drstuartgilmour/status/1406446546946691082?lang=en


Rustyzzzzzz

This came from the political compass community, the same place that let’s people insult minorities, allow fascism to thrive and calls Adolf Hitler based af.


git-blame

I coloured the squares. Please clap.


MonsieurMeursault

Yes you can see it and enjoy local culture and cuisine by the way.


staxofmax

Libs: contraception and family planning are a human right! China: provides contraception to its citizens Libs: *incoherent screeching*


westernleftistssuck

the three other squares hate us just because we can't stop being champions


GOTW24

They unironically believe in the political cumpiss, my condolences OP, but you may have to let your friends go...


DrSelar

If there’s a genocide in China, it’s of the Han. China is going to have the biggest drop in births during peacetime in history. Ironically Xinjiang and other northwestern provinces are doing much better than the eastern provinces in terms of fertility rates.


Happieness2823457

PCM moment


An-on12354

I thought Uyghur birth rates had gone up