The good old " there's always a bigger Fish" trope.


Master qui-gon how are you not dead


I guess force ghosts have access to the internet


I hope their WiFi connection is good


The Bars is strong


Somehow, Qui-Gon returned


Wow rage and an amusing snicker at the same time, I didn't know that was possible


He got better


This is my favorite trope.


Robert Bakker's version is my favourite = *"Streams of bright red arterial blood are squirting up from the surface. The acro has a huge open wound in the thorax that exposes three broken ribs and lacerated viscera. A hindleg, dislocated at the knee, flaps about in uncoordinated spasms.* *A three-yard-long kronosaur snout swings visciously to the side, seizing the acrocanthosaur leg and spinning the acro body beneath the waves.* *Raptor Red struggles to the shore and looks back. The acrocanthosaur surfaces again, her left thigh and shin flexing convulsively. The kronosaur shifts his jaw up his victim's body, clamping his giant tooth-row across the acro's neck. The krono's flippers on the right side tilt upward as he dives to his left dragging the acro down again."*


WwD is mine *"The most fearsome predator of the Jurassic is watching his prey, peering through the water, the carnivore fixes on his unwary victim, waiting for the perfect moment to strike."*


It's a great misdirect. You think it's talking about Eustreptospondylus until the Liopleurodon shows up.


Errybody gangsta 'till Liopleurodon shows up.


In Jurrasic World it would be Errybody gangsta until the Mosasaurus comes to snatch Rexy.


It's too bad Liopleurodon is smaller than Eustreptospondylus.


From what I can tell *Liopleurodon* is thought to have averaged somewhere between five and seven meters long, depending on the interpretation, while *Eustreptospondylus* is placed around six, so more likely they would have been around the same size -- but it's still very notable in light of how incredibly oversized the WwD *Liopleurodon* is.


Is Eustreptospondylus not 8 meters? Am I thinking of Metriacanthosaurus instead?


Perhaps? At least, according to Wikipedia, eight meters is about how long *Metriacanthosaurus* got, so there's that.


WoD? Is that a book?


I think they meant Walking with Dinosaurs.


Well, WoD usually refers to World of Darkness but that has nothing to do with Dinosaurs.


My Warcraft brainrot thought it was Warlords of Draenor


Equally possible, if not the more common interpretation, given WoD hasn't had many popular titles released lately outside of the table top stuff, afaik. Whereas World of Warcraft is a well know MMORPG. I've heard it has suffered some significant quality drops in recent years due to mismanagement and bad practices at Activision Blizzard though. If you want to know a little more about WoD games, though, you can read the rest of this, otherwise just stop here. Werewolf: the Apocalypse - Earthblood was the last title I heard about, and was exceedingly average and generic based on the trailer. Then there are the Vampire the Masquerade games, but most of the "recent" games are visual novel style, and the upcoming Epic Games exclusive "Vampire the Masquerade: Swansong" doesn't have many fans hopeful despite finally being a departure from the visual novel style story telling. The only WoD game I have played is Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines, which is an action rpg from 2004, and easily one my favorite games of all time, both in objective and subjective quality. It has a "cult following" and many were anticipating the release of Bloodlines 2 around 2020-2021 (almost 2 decades later) before it got sent to development hell. I, and many others in the community, have significantly lowered our expectations after the whole affair with its development.


When they described the dejected Acro mate looking out over the water, I really felt bad for the both of them.


I forgot about Raptor Red. I really liked that book.


Wheres this from?


[Raptor Red.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raptor_Red)


Is there any named species of kronosaur that coexisted with Acro? Or is this speculative


Bakker's story is set in a generalised Barremian-Aptian western North America and he adds creatures from elsewhere in the world to fill in gaps in the fauna = there aren't any western US marine reptile sites of that age, so Bakker added Kronosaurus for a story arc where the protagonist Utahraptors wander to the seashore.


Yeah but it looks badass. And it’s sick. Especially the Indominus one.


I always wonder what would have happened If the mosasaurus didn't jump right into it. Would the fight have continued or would it have tried to slink away? Would they have let it?


Indominus would win.


The Indominus had rebar sticking out of her ribs, she was in a bad state. It probably would have ended with all of them killing each other tbh lol


The only reason Rexy was winning was because Blue caught I Rex off guard and it was getting tag teamed which took it by surprise. But now that it had realised it’s tactics, I suppose Indominus Rex would now know how to beat tag teams. So had Mosa not interfered, I Rex would destroy.


Yeah, but she had sharp metal jutting out of her body. She had been slammed into every building on Main Street and they were all exhausted. She may have gotten the final blows but I highly doubt she would have survived the exhaustion and shock, hybrid physiology or no


Probably a throwaway line about one of the donor species being a salamander so it has a healing factor even though that's not how it works at all


It’s a creature that survived a neck bite from a T Rex, the Initial Bite from a Mosasaurus, a tail hit to the face from Ankylosaurus, being slammed into many buildings, and an explosion from an RPG. It was running around the whole day killing large Sauropods. I think it’ll survive the exhaustion and damage.


I mean it should have, but it just finished getting ragdolled up the street in a 2v1 and was in a critical condition. I think the Indoninous would have tried to escape so she can get them both 1v1. Maybe she would have mellowed out after getting her ass beat since she knows where she sits in the "natural" order.


I mean, I would imagine that that's why it shows up often in paleo media in the first place? I guess I just don't really understand why you're phrasing this as a counterpoint to what OP is saying.


Yeah, but it’s a good trope


For sure! Just noticed how often it happens.


You have a strong case


It’s a good way to show that even the top predator, isn’t safe, and gives the audience unease. Plus it’s just cool.


the jurassic world one just looks like all four are singing opera


Mamaaaa ooo Ooo ooooo




I mean even orkas get traped on land, and to catch seals on shores they develope new skill that is dangerous and needs a lot of practice to master.


If I had a nickel for every time the apex therapod in a movie/documentary was killed by a giant plesiosaur/mosasaur, i'd have 3 nickels, which isn't alot but it's weird that it happened 3 times...


There's more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBcvZ7d8ZNI


Wait till it happens again in prehistoric planet. All the signs are there.


they better not sacrifice the carno fucking taurus


Dont say anything. They're watching us 😂


Not a Mosasaurus, but there is said to be a massive shark in Primal season 2


Maybe, but it's definitely my favourite trope


“Don’t forget about uuuuuuusssss *splash*”


I think you could do it in a non-tropey way. Nile crocs hunt this way and it's super interesting behaviour that I can watch over and over but definitely paleomedia goes over the top and kind of unrealistic with it.


There is one problem: The bigger the animal gets the more dangerous shallow waters are. If you have a big mass (like more than 15 tons) it's very hard to get back into the water if you are stranded. You will suffocate under your own mass or don't even get back into the water. If you want to hunt for big apex predators you need even bigger predators. So I consider it very unrealistic that there was much hunting for the big predators. But with that said, there still might be place for opportunistic hunting... but I would be surprised if it happened on regular diet.


Yeah, a creature the size of Jurassic World's Mosasaurus for example would not be able to throw itself onto land to hunt its prey. Not to mention that it's massively oversized to begin with. It's the Jurassic Park franchise, so I'm very forgiving of this kind of thing in that context, but realistically speaking it's nonsense. In real life the giant theropods wouldn't have anything to fear from marine reptiles leaping out of the ocean to grab them. Much more dangerous would be other members of their species or the large, powerful and sometimes armored herbivores they shared an ecosystem with.


also the fact that predators don't taste very well because of their meat diet. predators mostly kill one another to eliminate competition, and only in extreme cases for food.


Predators don't care much about the taste of meat (humans do that). Most predators will always eat each other if they can. But the problem is that predators are fierce fighters... hunting a gazelle is not as hard as hunting a lion.


Hunting a lion is way easier, just stand down wind from one and the little fucker comes straight to you. Killing it is the hard part.


I dunno man, I've seen 10 meter long grey whales in like 3m deep water digging up seafood from the mud basin. They specialize in it. But yea, grey whales don't eat large prey. a mosasaur wouldnt find any large prey in shallow water


What are these screenshots from?


Top to bottom, Walking With Dinosaurs: Cruel Seas, Jurassic World 1, and finally Prehistoric Park (I think the final episode)


I think WWD did it first. It was sneaky about it, too, with narration that made it sound as if he was talking about the land dino.


Yep! They really did something with this shot!


What was the name of the show of the first one, in the picture?


Walking with dinosaurs 1999, this was the cruel seas episode


Thank you so much! I have a lot of nostalgia with it. Appreciate you 🤗.


When I first saw the Liopleurodon, I was amazed


There’s also a Leopleurodon that does basically the same thing in the show Primal


JW Mosasaurs has bones of steel if it can clear 20+ feet before slamming down onto concrete without worry.


That thing is just a Kaiju.


The Mosasaur reveal worked so well because they used several impactful scenes to establish it, then allowed it to be completely forgotten until the right moment


Yes, but it’s a cool trope


What's the bottom image from?


Prehistoric park, I want to say the final episode




I mean, as far as Deinosuchus goes, i wouldn't think so. Because that's how crocodilians today ambush prey too.


Something can be a media trope and without implying it’s unrealistic. Sharks do the dorsal fin knifing thing irl, but that doesn’t stop movie makers inserting that in a scene for dramatic tension. Trope just means a recurring theme or motif, and this definitely seems to be one.




You’re allowed to consider literally anything a trope. No one can stop you.


I hope so. It's pretty cool.


Matilda the t-rex is the odd one out cause she dodged the attack.


It's called the "sick as fuck" trope


It's happened enough. Though it almost always makes for a cool poster.


It maybe a Hollywood trope but doesn't seem scientifically inaccurate to me. I've seen crocodiles pulling down and killing much larger prey like wildebeest and leopards. The possibility of a large Deinosuchus pulling an apex predator like the T-Rex under seems likely.


Kinda? Although, since it's a crocodile thing I wouldn't lump crocodilyforms into it.


What do you mean sorry? I know across the pics these are all different specific animals but from a storytelling/visual context these may as well be the same image conveying ‘there’s always a bigger fish’


I know, but calling something that animal actually does a 'trope' is unfair. You wouldn't call it a trope for things to fly with their hands, or that we walk with our legs. So why is it a trope when a crocodile lunges out of the water to grab it's prey, you know, like crocodiles do. It might be a trope for marine reptiles, since there's no evidence of it and it seems unlikely to actually happen in real life, but it still looks cool.


I don’t see trope at all as a bad thing, and I think you can have narrative tropes that are true to animal behaviour. Take sharks ‘kniving’ (when their dorsal fin is above the water) for instance. That is definitely a trope in media since it’s used all the time to signal someone is being stalked or checked out by a shark. Is it real behaviour? Of course, that doesn’t mean it’s not the go to for directors. If dinosaur documentaries were filming live dinosaurs then I wouldn’t really use trope to describe it, but matter of the fact is that what we’re seeing has been narratively constructed by people. Deinosuchus never met this tyrannosaur I don’t think, and whilst we can extrapolate what it might do from modern crocs we can’t say for sure if this scene in prehistoric planet would play out exactly this way irl. But people chose to write and animate it that way for a reason.


Agreed. This is a narrative decision being made by the writers, and that narrative decision basically boils down to "giant aquatic reptiles attacking theropods on land is awesome!"


Don’t know. Wasn’t there.


It happens in Raptor Red too!


the fact modern crocodiles do this means that it really isn't a trope and more of thing that just happens in nature


Placing that behaviour frequently in ficticious media for narrative purposes tropifies it imo. All of these media were written, and these are all intentionally dramatic moments for the watcher to enjoy tension. Trope =/= fictional


*Unpopular opinion warning* I’ve noticed this trope and it annoys the hell out of me. Large apex predators typically avoid direct confrontation. Especially when they are similar in size. If anyone can inform me of a scenario where a modern aquatic apex predator leaps out of the water to fight another apex predator let me know.


You know what I agree with you, but if you want someone to try challenge that’s pov I can think of some. Jaguars hunting caimen. Not aquatic vs land, but still two very competent predators. Group of lions jumping and managing to cripple a croc within two scuffles though I don’t think that nile crocodile is grown and it is at a numbers and land disadvantage. https://youtu.be/I6xjNt-ZB60 But yeah, definitely generally improbable behaviour, Nile crocodiles themselves rarely go for lions with preying intention from waters edge.


Yeah, a Mosasaur jumping from the water to attack a Tyrannosaur definitely isn’t impossible, but it probably wouldn’t be a normal occurrence. The thing that bothers me is when they act like this is normal behavior.


The Meg missed a good opportunity for this. The original novel's opening scene was a megalodon killing a T-Rex.


Si puede ser. (Yes it can.)


I found another example of this trope in an educational comic book from 2008. The comic is about a young albino *Hadrosaurus,* and at the climax he is chased into a river by a *Dryptosaurus,* which is then eaten by a *Deinosuchus.* It's not quite like the examples in the pictures, in that it happens while the *Dryptosaurus* is swimming, but it definitely comes from the same place.


Honestly it's dumb. It was cool In the nineties when wwd did it but when I saw it in Jurassic world I laughed out loud at how silly and predictable it was. Honestly those movies have become so stupid that I enjoy them ironically.


Calling Jurassic World “paleomedia” is perhaps a stretch.


Isn’t paleo media just any media portraying prehistoric creatures? I know Jurassic world is Voldemort on this sub, but come on. Top to bottom we have: 1) Speculative nature documentary style series with kaiju sized liopleurodon 2) block buster movie franchise with kaiju mosasaur attacking a hybrid dinosaur 3) Docufiction about going back in time and getting extinct animals from different periods together for a petting zoo. Isolating Jurassic World makes no sense here I feel like. Just because you don’t like it (and you probably have plenty good reasons to if that’s the case I bet), doesn’t disqualify it.


Arguably Jurassic franchise films are actually more honest about what they're portraying, because they don't pretend to be a scientifically accurate depiction, and its in fact a plot point that the dinosaurs are genetically modified. Whereas when a documentary makes an error or alters things for convenience or the story, that is much more misleading.


It doesn’t portray prehistoric creatures. Those are just monsters whose names happen to be in Latin.


Would you not then agree that WWD is in a similar boat themselves? Does the T. rex from WWD resemble a T. rex at all? Their European Utah raptors with no feathers? Their giant pterosaurs? Their dinosaurs in the wrong geography and time. Can you see how easy it is to say that nothing portrays prehistoric creatures and therefore nothing is paleomedia because everyone is doing some bits of guesswork or their own artistic flair?


Probably, I haven’t seen them.