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TheParisCommune1871

Communist Patriot?


kissyoursister

Jackson Hinkle made a tweet about how he’s a Marxist-Leninist and he’s a patriot, and then Eddie at Midwestern Marx backed him up and doubled down on it being a good take. They were trying to argue that having a sense of patriotism was actually a good thing and that anyone disagreeing had never met a real working class person before and talked to them. I follow a lot of BIPOC and Arabic tankies on social media and of course what Jackson and Eddie said aggravated them. Other people in these comments have explained looking at America as a state from a material lens and how it was built on the backs of genocide and slavery, but I would wager that Eddie and Jackson, who are white, thinking patriotism is good for working class Americans and that they can’t be radicalized if you shove the fact that America is a genocidal colonial empire down the throats of working class Americans.


HappyMilkXD

The thing is that, if the white american proletarian masses are appealed exclusively by their interests, and are not clarified that the imperial nature of American economy, then these masses are not going to mobilize against the American Empire. They will congregate around these figures, these "compats", and will easily be coopted by the far right. Ultimately, a very important part of communism is to be internationalist, to support the international proletariat. What are the compats doing to grow this comradery among the white Americans? All I see from the likes of Haz is that they disregard internationalism as pettite-bourgeois culture. As if it were small business owners the ones leading BLM! As if the primary contradiction of capitalism wasn't between the proletariat and the big bourgeoisie! Americans can't expect to leave colonialism untouched and have Socialism. It will, inherently, perpetuate Imperialism.


[deleted]

This, so much fucking this.


Origami_psycho

So basically they want the USSR, but American? Gross


114701

I thought that Midwestern Marx tweeted support, then Eddie said that someone else from Midwestern Marx sent the tweet. It's not Eddie's account, but shared by their org.


CelloCodez

In this context, American Communists that consider wanting to, y'know, fix your country as patriotic


Just_a_PATSY

Tailism from an insignificant group of very-online opportunists who are pathetically desperate to be a vanguard, and think they can do so by appealing to "American Patriot" jingoism in the laziest way possible


TheCesar14

Because larping in the streets as anti fascists is definitely a better way of going about things and totally a populist act that will get the workers to rally behind you... Totally


Just_a_PATSY

I guess I hit the mark because you sure pulled that response out of your ass.


TheCesar14

You didn't even watch the video I linked


Just_a_PATSY

🎻


TheCesar14

???


HappyMilkXD

An american reactionary socialist.


Hauntologic

What is reactionary about them?


AGGroAzteca

America as a project was founded on the enslavement of black people and the destruction of the indigenous population. America as a nation, exports terror campaigns to its enemies , it's external and internal colonies, it extracts anything valuable and leaves destruction in its wake.


Hauntologic

What about America as the place I live and the people around me who I want to liberate from the tyranny of capital and the US state?


Just_a_PATSY

What, like the continent, the land? It's a beautiful place, yes, but that's irrelevant to "The United States of America". It would be the same land, with the same people if it was called something else, with a different flag. Clinging to symbols of imperialism in a desperate attempt to appeal to reactionary Americans is an utter waste of time.


Hauntologic

America doesn't mean that to everybody, and not everyone who "likes America" is reactionary.


Just_a_PATSY

>America doesn't mean that to everybody No shit, because many people have been indoctrinated by their ruling class to believe the US spreads "freedom and democracy" after spending their childhood pledging allegiance to the Stars and Stripes™️. >and not everyone who "likes America" is reactionary. No shit, because again many people are indoctrinated without realizing it. But they shouldn't have their mistaken beliefs coddled, they should be corrected.


Hauntologic

How many people have you brought over to your way of thinking?


Just_a_PATSY

Like a number? Is that something I should be tracking? Where's the leaderboard?


HappyMilkXD

You need to examine America in a materialist sense. The place you live in was built on slavery and imperialism. It's good that you want to liberate your loved ones from the tyranny of capital; I absolutely support that. But it's important to understand that Socialism inherently means anti-US. The US, under a material lens, is nothing more than a state.


Hauntologic

Not just my loved ones, everyone who lives here. I want the best for us, call us Americans or call us whatever you want. We are here and we are capable of better. We are not the US state.


YeezusBhrist

Yea fr my friends and family are not trying to destroy anything, they just want food and healthcare and a place to sleep. Granted, America doesn’t really provide, but we kinda can’t move, they set up a million hoops to jump through and the costs are insane to move to a different country, I wouldn’t even know where to start


Marxs4thDog

Strasserite


Hauntologic

What does that mean?


Marxs4thDog

They were the German patriotic "socialists" in the 1930s.


Natsuki-Dono

I disagree. America was founded on the separation of the colonies from the Empire of Britain. The Materialist POV here is that, Britain was built on the foundations of Imperialism, Colonization and Slavery. The settlers who moved to America formed their own nation, in a sense that they were not British, nor they were natives. Creating a synthetic American who wasn't British, but white and wasn't Indigenous but called America their home. These Settlers were treated like shit by the Empire, it was in their material interest to separate from the Empire and create their own State. Hating the US as a nation and hating the US State machine is absolutely different. The US nation is an inevitably a reality that was birthed itself from the anti-imperialist tone of the American settlers. The US state machine is a product of Capitalism expanding as well as the Anglo influenced ruling class of the US.


Just_a_PATSY

>anti-imperialist tone of the American settlers Now I've seen everything, good lord. They wanted their own state so they could enslave, genocide, and exploit without "outside" interference. It wasn't "anti-imperialist", it was "anti-british telling us what to do". They just wanted to be imperialists too. You're buying the same old shit America's ruling class has been selling it's masses from day one. The "US nation" you refer to is a lie, and it's a lie that needs to be exposed.


Natsuki-Dono

Literally what. How is this controversial. The American Settlers were liberals. That envisioned a state of their own, i.e. a government for the people, and by the people. In the liberal sense. and by people, ofc they mean the settlers. Also, how is the US nation a lie? Can you still say that Americans today can still fit in with their European Predecessors? Or are they their own group with shared common ideas and history. OFC the US would grow to become an Empire, and it's features of its imperialism and colonialism were the traits that it inherited from the British Empire. These Socialist Patriots reject the US' Imperialism and seek to finish the American project, which was in nature, interventionist and Anti-imperialist side of America.


forestforrager

Sounds like you’ve read American textbooks


taiphl0sion

Idk why you're getting downvoted this is facts


TheOffensiveWhiteGuy

The United States Wasn’t built on slavery and imperialism. The foundation of this country was based on another country taking land from the natives then the people who where here making it their own. Them people created the bill of rights. I don’t understand why the hate for what we have over came the last 200 years. Freedom without The United States would have left the internet blank. half of you idiots wouldn’t have freedom of speech. The spread of our bill of rights is what created other countries to follow. Yes as a society The United States is stuck on race and corporate greed. This country will fail and fall big. But it was its own self doing. Because of the ignorance of its people and comments like these in this thread.


HappyMilkXD

>The foundation of this country was based on another country taking land from the natives then the people who where here making it their own. That is not correct. Once the Americans independized from the British, they dind't stay on the 13 Colonies, they started conquering the rest of the Indian land to the west, even the colonies of other Europeans! >Them people created the bill of rights. As well as Manifest Destiny. >I don’t understand why the hate for what we have over came the last 200 years. Because of the genocide of the peoples from Asia, Africa and Latin America the US has carried on. >Freedom without The United States would have left the internet blank. half of you idiots wouldn’t have freedom of speech. What do you mean? Chile was developing project Cybersyn before the Internet was created, and it was, precisely, the fascist coup supported by the US which put an end to it. >The spread of our bill of rights is what created other countries to follow. Bourgeois ideology. Not a Marxist analysis. >This country will fail and fall big. But it was its own self doing. Because of the ignorance of its people and comments like these in this thread. Your country will fail and fall for the mechanisms of Capitalism. It was its own self doing, but that is unrelated to any Internet comments.


TheOffensiveWhiteGuy

The spread of the United States was to to the Louisiana Purchase. Which if the United States didn’t buy it the French would have colonialized it. Manifest Destiny was about the spread of democracy and capitalism. Like I said Freedom of speech in other countries isn’t that bad. Neither is coke and McDees. Walmart and Amazon on the other hand is other story. Genocide? You mean how Normal it was for Great Britain, Spanish, and French to bring over humans for profit. Yes the American people did buy them. But it was normal back then. You can’t blame someone for ignorance. Also the steps to get where we are are. We got here because of the bill of rights. As far as the A-bomb being dropped that’s war. No it wasn’t right but it saved millions of lives and started an end to WW2. The great internet. I just mean media in general. Prior to the last 12 years the media wasn’t controlled buy the government. Some how since Obama Presidency the Media has been shaped for the Democratic Party. Which includes Facebook and Twitter. Blocking opinions of the Republicans and individuals who disagree. Bourgeois ideology. Yep totally agree with you. Americans have separated us into 3 classes rich, middle, and welfare. Middle class suffers the most. You’re right again. It’s not the comments on Facebook that will be the fall of America. The people of America has no backbone anymore. It’s all about politics of two sides instead of what’s right, and what Freedom really is. Us as Americans lost the idea of what real freedoms. I hope the fall of America comes in my life time. To just hit the reset button and make something that was great even better.


HappyMilkXD

>The spread of the United States was to to the Louisiana Purchase. Which if the United States didn’t buy it the French would have colonialized it. 1) That's an oversimplification. The US didn't just take the French colonies. 2) Either way, if you colonize a colony it still is colonization. If a passerby is about to be stolen by a thief, and a third person stops the latter one, but then steals from the former one, the third person is not a hero, but a thief. The sole fact that the compats ignore the material reality of these events, the change of property of the land from indigeonus people to settlers, should be enough to discredit them as Marxists. >Manifest Destiny was about the spread of democracy and capitalism. Like I said Freedom of speech in other countries isn’t that bad. Neither is coke and McDees. Walmart and Amazon on the other hand is other story. [Pure ideology](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9X_gxD9YYg). Manifest Destiny is the superstructure that maintains US Imperialism. Only the bourgeoisie enjoys from "freedom of speech". Junk food **is** a problem in the Global South. But once again, compats don't want to listen to their would-be comrades in the South. >Genocide? You mean how Normal it was for Great Britain, Spanish, and French to bring over humans for profit. Yes the American people did buy them. But it was normal back then. You can’t blame someone for ignorance. Also the steps to get where we are are. We got here because of the bill of rights. As far as the A-bomb being dropped that’s war. No it wasn’t right but it saved millions of lives and started an end to WW2. It wasn't normal to buy slaves back then. Only a very diminute fraction of the world did. The vast majority of people didn't buy slaves. The sole fact that you only see the actions of the European ruling class and consider it a normal thing should speak about the way that you see history. Also, which ignorance? Weren't the slavers aware of the pain and suffering of the slaves? Didn't the slavers realized tons of Africans died during their forced transfer? Didn't any single slave raise their voice to the white people about the injustices they were suffering? Didn't the owners thought that maybe they were doing something wrong when the slaves escaped their plantations? Dude, don't fool yourself. The slave owners were well aware of what they were doing. Besides, once again, you're ignoring the international proletariat! Communist should fight back reactionary culture and ideology, not justify it! The atomic bombs didn't save millions, it killed them. WW2 was finished by the Soviet people, not the Americans. Ultimately, all these are things that make the Golobal South hate you. As communist, your job is not to justify it, but to understand it and respond. >Bourgeois ideology. Yep totally agree with you. Americans have separated us into 3 classes rich, middle, and welfare. Middle class suffers the most. That's not a Marxist analysis on class! It's bourgeoisie and proletariat, not "rich and poor". "Middle class" suffers, yes but so the unemployed. As a communist, you should be fighting a common cause, not to exclude them. The fact that you segregate the unemployed in a lesser class **and, somehow, believe that the middle class is more oppressed** is another red flag of these communist patriots.


SpaceTrash782

Awful take. Go hang out with Niall Ferguson.


SpaceTrash782

Serious question, do you hold the same opinion about Zionist labor and Israel?


Hauntologic

The Israeli settler state is at an entirely different phase of development that the US settler state. There is ~200+ years of difference between the two. My great grandparents and great² grandparents lived here. Israelis can barely claim grandparents. The material realities, and dialectic solutions for the two are not at all the same. We are talking about a house that is on fire vs a house that has already burned to ash.


joelssg

America also means fighting against slavery, LGBTQIA rights, artistic freedom, Huey Newton, Huey Long, and more. don't reduce the american people, especially if you expect solidarity from them


Natsuki-Dono

The US was founded on the separation from the Empire of Britain bruh. Slavery and Indigenous genocide was already happening before the US, were formed. The difference is that the US wanted to create a state that was under a Democratic Republic. A Union state. Not under colonization of the European Empires of the Spanish and British. OFC they became an empire themselves, but that's inevitably capitalism in general. Not to mention the influence of the British Empire on the US's imperialism. Infrared and their orbiters believe that American Patriotism means going back to the American ideals of Anti-imperialism.


RovingChinchilla

Such ideals never existed. America's "revolutionary" founding was not an anti-imperialist struggle, it was merely a re-allocation of power from the British ruling class to a colonial pseudo-feudal society that had formed in the preceding decades. Slavery and genocide of indigenous peoples was indeed already happening, but to leave out the fact that the US as an independent nation didn't just continue these practices but indeed intensified them (the British Empire actually ended slavery before the US did, and it had some meagre safeguards against further encroachment into indigenous lands in place, which is obviously not a defense of this abhorrent force for evil, just a further condemnation of the US that it failed to even clear that low bar), is downright ignorant. Your framing of British colonialism/imperialism having "influenced" that of America is also wildly disingenuous, because you act as if these are two distinct lines of practice instead of one being a continuation and eventually inheritor of the former. I urge you to really consider your failings in a materialist historical analysis of this topic because it has lead you to some very bad, revisionist conclusions


Freddie_Rainbow

American indepence was a disaster for the Native Americans. Upon achieving independence, the first thing the 13 colonies did was tear up all the treaties with the indigenous peoples, and spend the next 150 years stealing their land, killing them, and banging on about "manifest destiny". Are you really so deluded as to think that mistreatment of the indigenous peoples stopped after independence? That's utterly astonishing. Do you think treatment of slaves improved after independence? Do you think the lives of working class people improved after independence? Fuck, you guys really are brainwashed over there, aren't you?


Natsuki-Dono

Lol okay, first of all, I never denied the shit the indigenous people suffered during manifest destiny, nor do I deny the genocide that was inflicted upon them. I never once did claim that indigenous people nor African slaves were treated well under their new American overlords. Because guess what, I myself am Filipino. My ancestors suffered genocide and imperialism and erasure of culture. I will never be an apologist of American crimes as a state machine. What I am defending is the nation of Americans, those who Identify with, and believe in the ideas of what America should have been. The land of opportunity and freedom and liberty. I advocate for the destruction of the American state machine, but not the nation of Americans who have shared ideas and history of anti imperialism, even if, for them its imagined.


TheCesar14

https://youtu.be/NEMiPLM8ges Watch this debate and stop straw manning positions please


Just_a_PATSY

>YouTube debatelords Opportunism is alive and well


Imperialism_is_epic

Good


HappyMilkXD

From [The Principles of Communism](https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm) >\[ Reactionary Socialists: \] \[...\] consists of adherents of a feudal and patriarchal society which has already been destroyed \[...\] by big industry and world trade and their creation, bourgeois society. This category concludes, from the evils of existing society, that feudal and patriarchal society must be restored because it was free of such evils. In one way or another, all their proposals are directed to this end. Now, Haz does not adhere to a feudal society, but he does speak of pre-WW2 US as an idyllic historic period. According to him, [it was after WW2 that US became corrupted by British intelligence](https://youtu.be/sp3SGniPMH4?t=4097). >This category of reactionary socialists, for all their seeming partisanship and their scalding tears for the misery of the proletariat, is nevertheless energetically opposed by the communists for the following reasons: (i) It strives for something which is entirely impossible. (ii) It seeks to establish the rule of the aristocracy, the guildmasters, the small producers, and their retinue of absolute or feudal monarchs, officials, soldiers, and priests – a society which was, to be sure, free of the evils of present-day society but which brought it at least as many evils without even offering to the oppressed workers the prospect of liberation through a communist revolution. (iii) As soon as the proletariat becomes revolutionary and communist, these reactionary socialists show their true colors by immediately making common cause with the bourgeoisie against the proletarians. Although Haz does not seek to establish the rule of feudal classes, he does side with Trump. He has called him "pretty leftist by global standards". Haz also shits in every leftist that expresses themself against colonialism, patriarchy, racism... Because, on his eyes, all these struggles are illegitimate identity politics, with pettite bourgeois origins. He doesn't seem able to concieve that these other struggles also have material basis.


Hauntologic

I mean, there were organized Communists in the US pre WW2, more accurately pre cold war. idk who this Haz is and I don't really care. I'm not big on influencer types.


HappyMilkXD

I know, there have been Communists organizing everywhere. Haz is one first one showed in the right side.


Hauntologic

Pre WW2 was a heyday. FDR passed the new deal because organized Communists posed a credible threat to the Capitalist structure of the US state. He was preventing revolution.


The_Blue_Empire

You can't be a patriot in the imperial core and a Communist.


[deleted]

They're weirdos who for some reason, reaaallly really want to call themselves patriots and reappropriate the word from right wingers Stupid and annoying discourse that benefits nobody imo


ProletarianBastard

The Infrared/Haz fans really are an odd lot. Most are young gamers who were sharing alt-right Groyper memes a year ago, but somehow got into communism, probably because they like the aesthetics and think it's "based" and about power and domination. Haz is an idiot who can't actually win a debate by conveying his ideas, so he just constantly interrupts people, makes contrarian comments, and yells at them. His fanboys (and they are *all* boys) like seeing Haz engage in his thuggish bullying because it makes them feel tough to be on his team. The terminology I've seen them use - "cuck," "soyboy," "pussy," "r_tard," "kek," etc. are all used by the alt-right and bled over into common usage in the gaming community. I have literally seen Haz fanboys on Twitter with Pepe avatars. They also brigade comments sections with alt accounts - something alt-right trolls would do. Just a bunch of sad terminally online losers who still have a lot of right-wing baggage to shed.


Hack2true

It benefits no one? Wtf relating to average working man is a bad thing? Get the fuck out of here western leftist gate keeping bitch.


[deleted]

Nah being indigenous and having many indigenous friends and comrades I can safely say we are all uncomfortable with people in Marxist or leftist spaces calling themselves "patriots" and with good reason Thank fuck my country's communist party doesn't tolerate this.


Hack2true

Is your friend name comrade #3.


[deleted]

Lol I can already tell this is going to devolve into at the very least vaguely racist remarks and name calling Have fun LARPing -average working man who isn't a patriot


Hack2true

You would love nothing more than to call me a racist keep your western moralization to your self - average working man who is a patriot.


[deleted]

Also no, relating to average working men isn't a bad thing I never said that so don't pretend like I did lol You don't need to throw on a patriot identity to do that, this whole thing seems to me like it solely began to disrupt communist spaces, cause pointless arguments, and make things uncomfortable for black and indigenous people in these spaces


Hack2true

So how is not being patriot gonna relate to average working man who is most likely a patriot. You realize indigenous and black people are not the majority of the country. Why are western leftist so stuck in the anglo box.


ProletarianBastard

For fucks sake, please learn about what tailism is.


0hdae5u

>You realize indigenous and black people are not the majority of the country. Which is precisely why patriotism is stupid,dumbfuck. Any form of national identity you create in America is gonna be reactionary due to the fact that indigenous people and black people are not included in it,and national pride has to be cultivated by being willfully ignorant of what you did to them. Patriotism will help you in beating the British (indian here, trust me) but it will never help in improving the internal mechanisms of your country (Indian here,TRUST ME). And since most of yall wars are built on lies and are completely unnecessary, patriotism is precisely what you don't need. Organising working class of America could be done without invoking patriotic identity,and should be, because patriotism do mot help at all in the long run


CelloCodez

Yeah, I thought this subreddit was better than this :/ idk why they have such a hard time understanding our usage of the word


Hack2true

Man I had a feeling this sub reddit had anti patriot sentiment but this shit confirms it.


ThePoopOutWest

Chaz spouting off about the British infiltrating the US deep state and forcing them to become imperialist is one of the most batshit crazy takes I’ve ever heard.


Just_a_PATSY

It's a very silly deviation, isn't it? I wonder how long they can spin their wheels before they get tuckered out.


TheCesar14

Read Lyndon Larouche, America was founded on the basis of seceding from empires, we're so close yet so far from 2036...


ThePoopOutWest

Is this sarcasm I can’t tell


HappyMilkXD

It isn't, they genuinely believe this ☹️


inGaeilge

No seriously though is this sarcasm I need to know.


TheCesar14

https://youtu.be/vBCJ0qAvzOw


inGaeilge

I don't get it :(


CelloCodez

I love this video lol thanks for this


fruitrollupgod

are you actually citing LYNDON FUCKING LAROUCHE in a communist subreddit?


Erik_21

Both suck


Tokarev309

Here's a [Marxist analysis](https://youtu.be/Nkw55lFaxJE) of Infrared's debate with Jason Unruhe where they discuss Imperialism, Patriotism, and Colonialism among other topics. Infrared makes some troubling statements for someone who calls themselves a Marxist.


ProletarianBastard

Such a good commentary. I'm not a fan of Jason Unruhe but that Has guy is such a moron. I laughed out loud at S4A's comment on Haz's leather arm gauntlets. Also his screen name, "Sultan Haz the Cruel?" Seriously, that's like one step away from Sargon of Akkad. This dude mimics the far right I'm everything he does.


TheCesar14

A guy that was clearly one sided since the beginning, not a good analysis.


Just_a_PATSY

IDK all I see here are different shades of opportunist.


Wirrem

Both of them are tools, but at least the one on the right is sometimes correct and isn’t a nonce.


belesch10

Communist patriotism is a dogwhistle for social conservatism and fascist nationalism, also infrared is a right wing moron


JoJoMemes

"Can a Communist, who is an internationalist, at the same time be a patriot? We hold that he not only can be but also must be." -Mao Dialectically speaking, gtfo radlib


belesch10

Yeah it should be possible but those who claim it and calls themselves that are always closet fascists


CelloCodez

Could you explain both of those a bit further?


Hack2true

He won't because he just want to give blur people their land back.


Kraftphunk2024

Yeah right !? "Why are you so mad about something that happened a hundred years ago" 1000 IQ Infrared white man. Man I wish the British elites didn't infiltrate the American deep state then America would never have been imperialist- Infrared 100000000IQ observation.


Hack2true

Yea man btw infrared is Arab but it's very interesting he tried to insinuate that I'm probably racist I'm not American I live in Australia and came from India lol.


0hdae5u

So you're an indian. That explains you're hatred for indigenous tribes.


Hack2true

Lol alright


0hdae5u

You think I kid,but indians really hate four kinds of people here: muslims dalits Adivasis and women


Hack2true

Al ight.


Dreixler87

Name of the Song? :-)


Igoadios

Can you feel my heart aka giga chad music


Dreixler87

Thank you Sir!


AefarOfAsh

gross. communist patriots enlist challenge


Vegantarian

White people just be doing anything on the computer


Sus_Kennedy

Socialist patriotism based


atari-meow-wow

Patriotism? Do you people forget the end goal of your own fucking ideology. There is no patriotism in a stateless moneyless society. Only community, friendship and individuality. The fucking antithesis of patriotism. Is communism not an international cause? the breaking of boundaries between the proletariat across nations. Patriotism is bullshit because the working class should be united together over their liberty not over some state.


Anafiboyoh

Patriotism is different to Nationalism, you can feel proud about your own nation while still putting an emphasis on internationalism


RadioSnek

Bullshit. The people of the Soviet Union for example was very nationalistic and patriotic, the same for every socialist nation. What you’re saying is that nobody should have pride in their culture, land and people. If that is the communism you’re advocating for then I don’t want any part of it


atari-meow-wow

Patriotism isn't pride for your people. It's putting faith and pride in institutions not people.


RadioSnek

Thats your definition but people like me, Haz from infrared, Jackson Hinkle don’t see patriotism as putting faith in institutions so you’re critisising a point they never made


[deleted]

If your a socialist your literally not a patriot by definition. A patriot wouldn’t advocate for overthrowing and replacing your nations economic system. Also infrareds a idiot that trues to appeal to reactionaries and confused children. He has awful takes on Trump and land back.


Hack2true

Good luck with land back bro make the blue people proud.


[deleted]

Tribes are already semi independent why shouldn’t they own it?


Hack2true

Yep and I said good luck with land back.


EvilEyeV

Lame...


fruitrollupgod

death to amerikkka fuck patriotism america must be dismantled i’ll be patriotic when i live in a state not founded on genocide


Rokkipappa58

I hope this is ironic, because Jackson is a dumbfuck


Wavesandradiation

Infrared is such a refreshing ML perspective. I respect why people have their problems with Haz on the patriot question but he's smart as hell and people can learn a lot from him.


HappyMilkXD

Haz believes Trump is "pretty leftist by global standards".


Wavesandradiation

He was messing with an antifa kid who ended up arguing for forced re-education and state terrorism against conservative workers.


HappyMilkXD

Does that mean that he's critical of Trump and does not support bourgeois politicians?


Wavesandradiation

Yes, he's a communist lmao. He's never said vote for Trump


RoyalSnipez15

Infrared is rising!


Comrade_Images

🦍☀️


Wavesandradiation

🦍☀️


CelloCodez

😩👍🦍☀️🦍☀️☭


Ball__ch__vsm

"Communist patriot" what the actual fuck


RoyalSnipez15

Yup, communist patriot just as Lenin intended


Ball__ch__vsm

Tell me you never read Lenin without actually telling me that....


RoyalSnipez15

Are you saying that the bolsheviks and Lenin weren’t patriots


Ball__ch__vsm

Holly shit, ok tell me one thing Lenin did or wrote in support for Russia and against internationalism...


RoyalSnipez15

“Is a sense of national pride alien to us, Great-Russian class-conscious proletarians? Certainly not! We love our language and our country, and we are doing our very utmost to raise her toiling masses (i.e., nine-tenths of her population) to the level of a democratic and socialist consciousness. To us it is most painful to see and feel the outrages, the oppression and the humiliation our fair country suffers at the hands of the tsar’s butchers, the nobles and the capitalists. We take pride in the resistance to these outrages put up from our midst, from the Great Russians; in that midst having produced Radishchev,[3] the Decembrists[4] and the revolutionary commoners of the seventies[5]; in the Great-Russian working class having created, in 1905, a mighty revolutionary party of the masses; and in the Great-Russian peasantry having begun to turn towards democracy and set about overthrowing the clergy and the landed proprietors.” -Lenin, “On the National Pride of the Great Russians”


Ball__ch__vsm

Isn't this a form of dismantling the Russian supremacism and building solidarity with polish, Ukrainian, finnish, Georgian, etc. workers that were all oppressed by the same tsar? Lenin's policies on the national question advocated for self determination, not russian domination in the slightest, and this was to be done on a very internationalist basis...


RoyalSnipez15

Sounds like he was being patriotic, I will also quote Mao, “Can a Communist, who is an internationalist, at the same time be a patriot? We hold that he not only can be but also must be. The specific content of patriotism is determined by historical conditions.”


quagmire-toilet

Average patriot vs average internationalism enjoyer


strawshirt

If you think patriotism isn’t an effective tool for communists you need to do more reading on the Italian Communist Party (PCI)


ritardoscimmia_

they both shall be allied in the pursuit of a better society and the tear down of corporativism


quagmire-toilet

Ew dengists🤮


Comrade_Images

At least it's not Gonzalo


quagmire-toilet

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